How Many CD's do you own?

[Que]

  That 1 in 20 is an interesting ratio Valentino, it keeps you in touch with current non-classical music. I have not bought a non-classical cd in 2-1/2 years.   I walked into HMV on Oxford Street last week and I DID NOT recognize any of the new pop/rock/jazz artists......that can't good can it?


  marvin 

I never bought anything other than classical in my life...
I was out of touch with "current music" when I was 14 - is that bad?  

Q

[marvinbrown]

I never bought anything other than classical in my life...
I was out of touch with "current music" when I was 14 - is that bad?  

Q

  Que I suspect Mike might be right, its AGE or dear it is definitely AGE!!!!

  marvin

[Harry]

  That 1 in 20 is an interesting ratio Valentino, it keeps you in touch with current non-classical music. I have not bought a non-classical cd in 2-1/2 years.   I walked into HMV on Oxford Street last week and I DID NOT recognize any of the new pop/rock/jazz artists......that can't good can it?


  marvin 

I would say that is a excellent reaction Marvin!

[Harry]

I never bought anything other than classical in my life...
I was out of touch with "current music" when I was 14 - is that bad?  

Q

Que my friend, that's good, that's very good, doný worry!
I never even bought pop music in my life, so I was always out of touch, and consider that something to be proud of!

[Valentino]

You know, every now and then there's a Tom Waits, a Sinatra, a Doors (their debut has disappeared!), a new Kaizers Orchestra-album...

I am not a man for the narrow path. Should have been a catholic.

Sometimes I think I've heard all the "new music" before. The formula of popular music is way too simple. It's age all right.

[Steve]

I never bought anything other than classical in my life...
I was out of touch with "current music" when I was 14 - is that bad?  

Q

Speaking as someone who grew-up with classical music, I can say that I have felt a bit of angst because of my inexperience with other genres of music. Then I consider how classical music is not another genre in the way the two genres of American Rock Music are. Think of the vastness, the bottomless pit that is classical music. Concerti, Symphonies, Opera, Chamber Music, Sonatas... and on and on. Each of these is a enoumous genre in and of itself. If you were, a lover of, perhaps only High-Classical Piano Concertos, perhaps that might be reason to seek to expand one's horizons, but being familiar with music across hundreds of years of Western Civillization in all shapes and mediums. Think of the diversity, my friend! While people love to group classical music into one genre, we know what a mistake that is. I consider my collection as diverse and eclectic as any other person on this planet.

I'm with Harry on this one. Ignorance to popular music is nothing to be ashamed of. 

[71 dB]

I never even bought pop music in my life, so I was always out of touch, and consider that something to be proud of!

Do you know what is wrong with that kind of thinking Harry? The reason is that fans of pop music say:

"I never even bought classical music in my life, so I was always out of touch, and consider that something to be proud of! "

Unlike classical music most pop music suck big time but good music can be found in every genre. I have learned not to exclude any music genre. I would be missing so much if I did!

[Sergeant Rock]

Speaking as someone who grew-up with classical music, I can say that I have felt a bit of angst because of my inexperience with other genres of music. Then I consider how classical music is not another genre in the way the two genres of American Rock Music are.

Two? Two? Let me start counting: 50s rock & roll; rhythm & blues; doo wop; Girl Group; British Invasion; Memphis soul; Philly soul; Motown; bubblegum; folk rock; acid/psychedelic rock; Southern rock; Tex-Mex; garage (60s proto-punk); electric blues; swamp rock; jazz rock; country rock; art/progressive rock; singer/songwriters; funk; disco; ska; reggae; New Wave; punk rock; cow punk; hardcore; rap; heavy metal; speed metal; death metal; alt rock... I could go on...and on.

And that's just one set of "pop" music types. There's also jazz with the same kind of divisions, and country, blues, dance, world (every country in the world has its own forms of popular music). Actually it's classical music that seems confined and limited (music made by dead European male's) relative to the enormous amount and variety of the popular genres (a misnomer, by the way: jazz is hardly popular; country doesn't really have mass popularity either and acid rock was hated by almost everyone in the 60s; it was a minority love affair with the San Francisco sound).

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

I have learned not to exclude any music genre. I would be missing so much if I did!

Word 

Sarge

[Steve]

Two? Two? Let me start counting: 50s rock & roll; rhythm & blues; doo wop; Girl Group; British Invasion; Memphis soul; Philly soul; Motown; bubblegum; folk rock; acid/psychedelic rock; Southern rock; Tex-Mex; garage (60s proto-punk); electric blues; swamp rock; jazz rock; country rock; art/progressive rock; singer/songwriters; funk; disco; ska; reggae; New Wave; punk rock; cow punk; hardcore; rap; heavy metal; speed metal; death metal; alt rock... I could go on...and on.

And that's just one set of "pop" music types. There's also jazz with the same kind of divisions, and country, blues, dance, world (every country in the world has its own forms of popular music). Actually it's classical music that seems confined and limited (music made by dead European male's) relative to the enormous amount and variety of the popular genres (a misnomer, by the way: jazz is hardly popular; country doesn't really have mass popularity either and acid rock was hated by almost everyone in the 60s; it was a minority love affair with the San Francisco sound).

Sarge

Yes, there are many non-classical music genres with many rich artists and compositions. However, I don't find it narrow-minded to focus entirely on classical. Dead European Males? Yes, but as it the Western Canon of literature. I never found that limited....

[Steve]

Do you know what is wrong with that kind of thinking Harry? The reason is that fans of pop music say:

"I never even bought classical music in my life, so I was always out of touch, and consider that something to be proud of! "

Unlike classical music most pop music suck big time but good music can be found in every genre. I have learned not to exclude any music genre. I would be missing so much if I did!

But, that begs the question- Are you just being eclectic for the purpose of being eclectic? I find that everyone is nessecarily discrimminating. Can you really claim to have a proclivity for all kinds of music? Honestly?

[71 dB]

But, that begs the question- Are you just being eclectic for the purpose of being eclectic? I find that everyone is nessecarily discrimminating. Can you really claim to have a proclivity for all kinds of music? Honestly?

To be honest, about half of music genres sound unapproachable to me but I have learned things can change. Fifthteen years ago I tought classical music is not for me!  Ten years ago I thought there is not Swedish pop music I could like etc...

Liking (good) music is about getting used to it.

[SonicMan46]

.....I have learned not to exclude any music genre. I would be missing so much if I did!.......

Well, not easy to respond to this post implying that 'classic music' is the only type to really enjoy - I like 71 dB comments above, one must give these various musical types at least a listen; in the 1950-60s in mid-Western USA, I did not grow up listenting to 'classical music' but more pop (some jazz, Sinatra, and the likes - that's what my parents bought); as an undergrad student @ the U. of Michigan, I went to the library & started to listen to a LOT of classical LPs (this was the mid-60s) - my interest in classical music started at that time; however, I also became quite interested in 'American Roots music' - jazz, blues, country-western, Cajun & Tex Mex - I enjoy all of these styles, and in particular Jazz music.  Just as a 'starter' recommendation, listen to some of the 'chamber' jazz of Benny Goodman (trio and/or quartet) & Duke Ellington (small group recordings) - these are just as enjoyable (to me, at least) as many of the chamber works from the classical-early Romantic era.  

[Sergeant Rock]

But, that begs the question- Are you just being eclectic for the purpose of being eclectic? I find that everyone is nessecarily discrimminating. Can you really claim to have a proclivity for all kinds of music? Honestly?

I find that too...that almost everyone is discriminating...too damn discriminating. There's a wilfull closing of mind and ear. Country music lovers who can't tolerate rock; rock lovers who can't tolerate rap; rap lovers who won't listen to anything but; jazz lovers who shun classical. Classical fans who can't stand anything remotely tainted by the word "popular." It just seems really ignorant to confine yourself so rigidly to one type of music. I honestly don't get it, and I never will.

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

Yes, there are many non-classical music genres with many rich artists and compositions. However, I don't find it narrow-minded to focus entirely on classical. Dead European Males? Yes, but as it the Western Canon of literature. I never found that limited....

Steve, I was struck by this sentence in one of your earlier posts: "I can say that I have felt a bit of angst because of my inexperience with other genres of music." I think you should feel that way. The problem with ignoring the popular forms is that you cut yourself off from such a large portion of the world. There is life, and fantastic music, beyond the tie and tails world of classical music. It's not hard to relate to the great artists in rock, pop, country, jazz. Many of us here do. And those dead European males: You know many of them were extremely interested in pop music. They listened to it, they played it, they collected it, they used it in their own music: Mozart, Schubert, Liszt, Brahms, Mahler, Grainger, Vaughan Williams, Bartok, Gershwin, Kurt Weil, Copland, Bernstein to name just a few.

Sarge

[Steve]

Steve, I was struck by this sentence in one of your earlier posts: "I can say that I have felt a bit of angst because of my inexperience with other genres of music." I think you should feel that way. The problem with ignoring the popular forms is that you cut yourself off from such a large portion of the world. There is life, and fantastic music, beyond the tie and tails world of classical music. It's not hard to relate to the great artists in rock, pop, country, jazz. Many of us here do. And those dead European males: You know many of them were extremely interested in pop music. They listened to it, they played it, they collected it, they used it in their own music: Mozart, Schubert, Liszt, Brahms, Mahler, Grainger, Vaughan Williams, Bartok, Gershwin, Kurt Weil, Copland, Bernstein to name just a few.

Sarge

Well Sarge, I, as always, appreciate your comments. It appears that on this matter, I will simply have to disagree. i agree that one should always be exploring other areas of culture and of thought, I simply have never discovered a musical passion outside of classical. I've heard many popular acts perform and listened to many a popular recording- but I simply haven't been particularily drawn to anything else. When we close our mind to the world, then we open ourselves to accusations of narrow-mindedness. However, as someone who does take chances to broaden my borders, I simply refuse to be ashamed for not being drawn to something else.

Everyday I experience the music of new compsers, and with any luck, find a new piece for my violin. I am constantly on the search. At the same time, I can tell you that whille I often entertain invitations to non-classical concerts, I just don't have a passion for it.

Mine has always been an attiude of discovery... what has resulted, is a young man with an insatiable devoition to classical music.

Will I apologize for lack of diversity with regards to my music prefrences? (Non-Classical)

Although, I do wish I could have that sort of passion with other music, one is not be ashamed of one's own nature.

We simply must digress.

[Que]

Well Sarge, I, as always, appreciate your comments. It appears that on this matter, I will simply have to disagree. i agree that one should always be exploring other areas of culture and of thought, I simply have never discovered a musical passion outside of classical. I've heard many popular acts perform and listened to many a popular recording- but I simply haven't been particularly drawn to anything else.

Applies to me too!
I've heard a lot of Pop Music and Jazz over the years (how can one avoid it? ), but Pop Music simply didn't have any attraction whatsoever. I thought about exploring some Jazz, which I find attractive to some degree with some beautiful singers. But then I thought of all the Bach and other Classical Music there was yet to explore - that attraction was simply much more powerful, and pursuing it more fulfilling. I just followed my instincts!

Q

[Harry]

And let me add also, that time is limited in life, and classical music unlimited. I have to make a choice out of several things I like, otherwise I will drown in it, and that will cause panic with me.
If I look at literature I limit myself to the Russian Classical writers & English Classical writers, and sometimes German literature, but sparse. I read it over and over again, so as to get a good grip on it.
And then there is classical music, a unlimited world of emotional turmoil, in which every human emotion is represented in a musical form.
And that represents life for me.
Love, Music, Books, and of those three Love is first!
Love and Music mixed, is for me heaven on earth.
A pure phenomenon!

[Steve]

Steve, I was struck by this sentence in one of your earlier posts: "I can say that I have felt a bit of angst because of my inexperience with other genres of music." I think you should feel that way. The problem with ignoring the popular forms is that you cut yourself off from such a large portion of the world.
Sarge

I just reviewed some of the recent posts on this thread, and I found an error in your last reply, Sarge. You have suggested, that I am ignoring popular genres of music, and that is most certainly not the case. While ignorance may be willful or incidental, choosing to ignore something must be an act of one's will. As I said in my previous replies, I have explored at great lengths the annals of popular music, and found little to incite my imagination. I have looked for the same sort of passion in popular acts, but have simply not found it. I make no effort to ignore the musical works of our modern day.

And let me add also, that time is limited in life, and classical music unlimited. I have to make a choice out of several things I like, otherwise I will drown in it, and that will cause panic with me.
If I look at literature I limit myself to the Russian Classical writers & English Classical writers, and sometimes German literature, but sparse. I read it over and over again, so as to get a good grip on it.
And then there is classical music, a unlimited world of emotional turmoil, in which every human emotion is represented in a musical form.
And that represents life for me.
Love, Music, Books, and of those three Love is first!
Love and Music mixed, is for me heaven on earth.
A pure phenomenon!

Yes, Harry, you've summed up my thoughts quite nicely. Some have suggested on this thread that one must tolerate other forms of music until it 'grows on you'. I have exposed myself to a great deal of modern music, but I simply find nothing to my liking. To continue to force myself to sacrifice the little time I have to devote to my music to learning to "tolerate" or develop a proclivity for another genre of music, just doesn't make all that much sense to me.

When I am in social settings, I tolerate non-classical music, but I just don't consider it a worthy use of shelf space, yet. Perhaps I will find something.. I am only a student after all.

[Harry]

I just reviewed some of the recent posts on this thread, and I found an error in your last reply, Sarge. You have suggested, that I am ignoring popular genres of music, and that is most certainly not the case. While ignorance may be willful or incidental, choosing to ignore something must be an act of one's will. As I said in my previous replies, I have explored at great lengths the annals of popular music, and found little to incite my imagination. I have looked for the same sort of passion in popular acts, but have simply not found it. I make no effort to ignore the musical works of our modern day.

Yes, Harry, you've summed up my thoughts quite nicely. Some have suggested on this thread that one must tolerate other forms of music until it 'grows on you'. I have exposed myself to a great deal of modern music, but I simply find nothing to my liking. To continue to force myself to sacrifice the little time I have to devote to my music to learning to "tolerate" or develop a proclivity for another genre of music, just doesn't make all that much sense to me.

When I am in social settings, I tolerate non-classical music, but I just don't consider it a worthy use of shelf space, yet. Perhaps I will find something.. I am only a student after all.

I tend to avoid social gatherings with pop music around.
Not to long ago I visited some friends, with internet radio in the background, pop music of course, which disturbed me so much that I asked them to turn it off, or play some classical music, for I could not concentrate on the topic of discussion. When they put on some Brahms Chambermusic, my mind came to a rest, and I felt relaxed in a instant. I want to tolerate but I feel myself unable to do so.
For instance, yesterday was the Queens Birthday, and the town was full of people. Loud droning beats everywhere, popmusic abound, happy people, but not me, so I fled as fast as I could out of town. Nothing for people that love classical music, as if we don't exist.
Thank God for my home, stuffed to the brim with classical music.
Once a month my classical friends come together in my home, and they bring their own new classical discoveries with them, the most happy day in the month for me!