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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #2660 on: Today at 04:53:19 PM »
It's a slow process: 72 percent of Nevada precincts reporting:

Sanders 47.5 %
Biden 20.8 %
Buttigieg 13.7 %
Warren 9.4 %
Steyer 4.5 %
Klobucher 4.0 %


Klobuchar losing to Steyer. That's embarrassing  ;D

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #2661 on: Today at 05:36:08 PM »
Maybe he's an extremest (if you consider emulating Norway as extremism) but I don't see that he is a hypocrite. He doesn't say everyone should have the same wealth. He says that the government should do more to give everyone the same opportunity to accumulate wealth, by better access to education, health care, various kinds of social support. The fact that he advocates a tax policy in which he would personally have to pay more tax is not hypocrisy. That is called being selfless. That used to be considered a good thing.

I don't think it's fair to either Norway or Sanders to say his agenda is emulating Norway.  His actual policy proposals involve making the federal government a micromanager over the much of the economy.
He wants the federal government to supervise local zoning decisions as part of his Fair Housing proposal, for instance.  He doesn't merely want to give everyone equal opportunites. His programs would result in the government deciding what opportunities are available in the first place.

His tax policy btw is probably fantasy. The wealth tax he and Warren propose is specifically forbidden by the Constitution, and would survive a challenge only if the Supreme Court agrees with some very creative lawyering.  His sales tax would require yet another level of bureaucracy and hit the middle class hardest.

A Trumpian nickname for him would be Bad Ideas Bernie. At the very least his agenda involves an expansion of government regulation and intrusion into the economy that we haven't seen in the US since FDR's New Deal.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #2662 on: Today at 06:05:35 PM »
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Socialism:  you vote them in and then shoot your way out.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #2663 on: Today at 07:35:42 PM »
At the very least his agenda involves an expansion of government regulation and intrusion into the economy that we haven't seen in the US since FDR's New Deal.
Which is certainly the comparison he hopes to evoke. (FDR certainly did win elections, at least.)

I note that the opinion of most Marxist historians is largely in agreement that the purpose of the New Deal was to forestall rather than promote socialism, by enacting sufficient regulations and changes to the capitalist system to allow it to survive its greatest threat (economic depression). Similarly there have been analyses of Sanders's proposed Green New Deal as being essentially a way to allow our current resource extractive economy to survive in the face of climate change and environmental degradation. I haven't fact-checked them because I didn't actually realise the Green New Deal was an actual plan rather than just a campaign soundbite.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #2664 on: Today at 07:54:50 PM »
Maybe he's an extremest (if you consider emulating Norway as extremism) but I don't see that he is a hypocrite. He doesn't say everyone should have the same wealth. He says that the government should do more to give everyone the same opportunity to accumulate wealth, by better access to education, health care, various kinds of social support. The fact that he advocates a tax policy in which he would personally have to pay more tax is not hypocrisy. That is called being selfless. That used to be considered a good thing.

I think he simply is advocating a form of socialism, which, as we all know, doesn’t work, because as Thatcher said, “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” I really like this quote and it pretty much sums up this lunatic’s agenda. What Bernie wants is for all of us to be subservient to the government while they, the politicians, continue to line their pockets with the tax payer's money. But I know you live in California and that might as well be considered it’s own country within the US, so I’m sure you’ll battle back with some over-the-top, snowflake rebuttal.
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