Where are you on the political spectrum?

[Marc]

I feel like a lot of the questions on that quiz were worded in such a way to make left-libertarian sound more reasonable... so that what i got... but idk if others think the same or not.

The 8 values quiz is a little better, and i think also shorter...

You may be right. But, in my case, the outcome was quite 'right' though.
Which means that I'm a stupid git.
(And a happy one, no less. )

[Marc]

I feel like a lot of the questions on that quiz were worded in such a way to make left-libertarian sound more reasonable... so that what i got... but idk if others think the same or not.

The 8 values quiz is a little better, and i think also shorter...

Not much different results... I'm unreformable.

[greg]

Where are you on the political spectrum?
A Trumpkin, or someone who actually entertains different ideas....

Is Trumpkin supposed to be someone who is like a blind fanatic or something?

I'm not keeping up with the nicknames... Big Cheeto was a good one, though a bit old.

Did you take the 8 values quiz?

You may be right. But, in my case, the outcome was quite 'right' though.
Which means that I'm a stupid git.
(And a happy one, no less. )

Cool.
(i don't what "git" is... just reminds me of github/git)

Not much different results... I'm unreformable.

Interesting. A bit more worldly than mine, and more intense in those directions as well.

[Marc]

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Cool.
(i don't what "git" is... just reminds me of github/git)
[...]

Heard that word ('git') a few times in me younger years, whilst watching British Broadcasting Corporation television programs.
It's (probably more old-fashioned) British slang for another British slang word : tosser, which is a despicable person.

Actually, 'stupid git' is, linguistically, a pleonasm. Because any git is already stupid.
'Wanking tosser' would also be a pleonasm.

But I will stop now.

[Marc]

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Interesting. A bit more worldly than mine, and more intense in those directions as well.

Yeah. I'm not nationalistic at all. But if you dare to say something negative about Gustav Leonhardt or Reinbert de Leeuw, I really will slug you so hard. Your nose is gonna be three foot wide across your face when I'm finished with you.

(I'm Dutch, in case you wondered.)

[greg]

Yeah. I'm not nationalistic at all. But if you dare to say something negative about Gustav Leonhardt or Reinbert de Leeuw, I really will slug you so hard. Your nose is gonna be three foot wide across your face when I'm finished with you.

(I'm Dutch, in case you wondered.)

They have funny names.

*runs and hides while snickering like a little goblin

Heard that word ('git') a few times in me younger years, whilst watching British Broadcasting Corporation television programs.
It's (probably more old-fashioned) British slang for another British slang word : tosser, which is a despicable person.

Actually, 'stupid git' is, linguistically, a pleonasm. Because any git is already stupid.
'Wanking tosser' would also be a pleonasm.

But I will stop now.

This must be old-fashioned because considering how much of youtube is British I'd have heard these terms by now.

[Florestan]

Yeah. I'm not nationalistic at all. But if you dare to say something negative about Gustav Leonhardt or Reinbert de Leeuw, I really will slug you so hard. Your nose is gonna be three foot wide across your face when I'm finished with you.

There's a whole difference between nationalist and patriot. A nationalist would want his country and her customs to dominate all others to the maximum extent possible, even by force; a patriot, while defending his country and her customs if need be, nevertheless revels in the large diversity of nations and their customs and has no intention of imposing his own by force. For instance, a nationalist wiould drink only the wines and beers of his country; a patriot might (just might) prefer them but does not refrain from tasting or even liking foreign ones. 

[Marc]

There's a whole difference between nationalist and patriot. A nationalist would want his country and her customs to dominate all others to the maximum extent possible, even by force; a patriot, while defending his country and her customs if need be, nevertheless revels in the large diversity of nations and their customs and has no intention of imposing his own by force. For instance, a nationalist wiould drink only the wines and beers of his country; a patriot might (just might) prefer them but does not refrain from tasting or even liking foreign ones. 

Ur right.

I should have listened to Macron when he lectured Trump in Paris about nationalism and patriottism.
Which, by the way, as a peaceful diplomat, I never would have done of course. I would not have lectured Trump, I would have quoted Madonna (Justify My Love): "I wanna kiss you in Paris."

Make Love, Not War.
1967.
Summer of Love.
Peace.

0:)

And, Andrei, if you refuse to wear flowers in your hair, I'm gonna take you to the [censored] cleaners!

[Marc]

They have funny names.

*runs and hides while snickering like a little goblin

This must be old-fashioned because considering how much of youtube is British I'd have heard these terms by now.

You never heard "tosser" either?
OK.
It's still used quite a lot, if I'm not mistaken. But, being not Bwitish myself, I'm not all that knowledgeable about their slang. We could ask vandermolen of course. He's well known at GMG as someone who repeatly uses the, say, more heavy words.

I really should go to bed now, I act like a tosser.

[greg]

Taking it up a notch.

Short version has 45 questions, which is what I did.

Not sure I agree with my military score, sort of could give a wrong impression. But otherwise pretty neat.

Also the security/freedom isn't accurate for me lol.

https://9axes.github.io/instructions.html

[j winter]

Yeah, it's a slow day at work....   

[greg]

Yeah, it's a slow day at work....   

Same here. 

I found another one that is pretty cool but it's not political. I'll share anyways even though technically it's not on topic.

http://www.dichotomytests.com/test.html?id=0

[greg]

One more.

https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/

[Jo498]

I got "Family Ecology Work" which is not too bad a characterisation, I guess. But I dislike many of the questions or their wording. They often have "there are some cases when x is admissble/recommendable/..." This is almost always trivially true. Sabotage is admissible if your country is occupied by the real 1930s/40s Nazis, but it is probably not admissible if you think that Trump is a Nazi and therefore one should sabotage his car so he has an accident. Or "abortion should be restricted to specific cases" Even a pro-choice person could answer affirmatively while a traditional anti-abortionist might think that this sounds far too permissive because the only acceptable cases would be mortal danger for the pregnant mother.
Same for many of the eco-questions which I answered maybe more "green" than I actually feel. And for the labor policies as well: Some businesses/sectors should be better private, sure, others should be publicly controlled, certainly, but this is still compatible with rather leftist social democracy and with fairly traditional centrist conservatism (like European "christian democrats" in the 60s/70s).

https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?b1=24&b0=14&p1=38&p0=26&prag=67&m0=57&c1=60&j0=29&j1=31&e0=40&e1=26&t0=21&t1=33&s0=10&s1=48&reli=67

[Florestan]

I got "Family Ecology Work" which is not too bad a characterisation, I guess. But I dislike many of the questions or their wording. They often have "there are some cases when x is admissble/recommendable/..." This is almost always trivially true. Sabotage is admissible if your country is occupied by the real 1930s/40s Nazis, but it is probably not admissible if you think that Trump is a Nazi and therefore one should sabotage his car so he has an accident. Or "abortion should be restricted to specific cases" Even a pro-choice person could answer affirmatively while a traditional anti-abortionist might think that this sounds far too permissive because the only acceptable cases would be mortal danger for the pregnant mother.
Same for many of the eco-questions which I answered maybe more "green" than I actually feel. And for the labor policies as well: Some businesses/sectors should be better private, sure, others should be publicly controlled, certainly, but this is still compatible with rather leftist social democracy and with fairly traditional centrist conservatism (like European "christian democrats" in the 60s/70s).

https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?b1=24&b0=14&p1=38&p0=26&prag=67&m0=57&c1=60&j0=29&j1=31&e0=40&e1=26&t0=21&t1=33&s0=10&s1=48&reli=67

I agree with your comments. Centrist conservatism is a good description in my case, although in a strictly Romanian context I've alwas been, and voted, liberal. That's because the National Liberal Party is fairly conservative and, despite its name, is a member of EPP not of ALDE.

FWIW, I got "Family-Work-Fatherland". Sounds exactly like the Vichy regime's slogan. 

https://www.politiscales.net/en_US/results/?p0=12&p1=62&e1=55&e0=21&c0=24&c1=60&m0=38&m1=26&s0=14&s1=64&femi=10&j1=33&j0=26&b1=43&b0=33&mona=67&prag=100&t1=74&t0=5&reli=100

[greg]

I see the point about the questions. But the way I treated those where some cases are acceptable and others aren't is by selecting either the middle or near the middle.

Probably quizzes with more nuanced answers like that would be better, but the quiz makers probably don't want that much work. 

[greg]

Another slow work day. So continuing...

Pew Research center quiz.

https://www.people-press.org/quiz/political-typology/


"Market Sceptic Republican" is what I got. Never heard of that term before.

I'd like to think it's from being suspicious of both powerful companies and government?


Kind of annoying at the end that even if you tell them you identify as Independent that they still ask you lean more R or D.

[greg]

This is amusing and revealing.

https://www.people-press.org/2017/10/24/political-typology-reveals-deep-fissures-on-the-right-and-left/


So core conservatives grew up in a (at least) upper middle class household so it has skewed their perspective to make them think the system is more fair than it really is. Maybe they just had better luck in life.

Meanwhile that is just not the case for others, especially market skeptic conservatives.

[Florestan]

Another slow work day. So continuing...

Pew Research center quiz.

https://www.people-press.org/quiz/political-typology/

This one seems to be specifically targeted to Americans so I won't take it.

Actually, I have the impression that the whole US political scene, Reps and Dems alike, is so skewed towards right that someone like me, who in the Yurpean context is a moderate conservative, ie center-right, can easily be thought of as being left, especially in matters concerning economy and business. 

[greg]

This one seems to be specifically targeted to Americans so I won't take it.

Fair enough.

Did you try the 9 axes quiz or the philosophy one?