"Dumb and Dumber"- Are Americans hostile to knowledge?

[drogulus]

The answer to this question is already contained in the text portion you quoted. Please read it again, this time more carefully!

     No, there is nothing pertaining to race, positive or negative, anywhere in that paragraph. As I suspected, you goofed and won't admit it. Hey, it doesn't cost you anything to make a baseless charge like that. It certainly can't hurt your reputation, can it?

[greg]

     You have a very acute understanding of your own dilemma but tend to jump to conclusions about others.

omg, this post is the most full of sh*t post ever written!
M never jumps to conclusions about anyone, go jump off a building, you racist!

amazing , the ones who  know about history, read all the books, are the ones who can;'t really understand what happened.
That takes psychology to do that, but not the kind they teach in the universities.
"The Christ who preaches love, blah, blah, blah"
Give me a  break, as a  german you more than  all of us here should know better than painting Jesus in such pastel/pinkish colors.
Go back and re-read your history books.
Afterwards go preach the message to the islamics, apparently they did not get the message either.

Paul, I have no idea what you're talking about...... could you explain a bit more?

[paulb]

omg, this post is the most full of sh*t post ever written!
M never jumps to conclusions about anyone, go jump off a building, you racist!

Paul, I have no idea what you're talking about...... could you explain a bit more?

But M does mkae assertions from things I never intended to say.

What i was trying to get across is that M believes he knows so much about what Christ really taught.
Read the book of Revelation, see how Christ appears to you.
Also what i mean to say is that of all people the germans should be aware that when any nation/people  is out of line, the end result will be a  correction.
happens in individuals lives and ocurrs in the fates of a  nation or people.
The islamics are not acting in *good faith* and will meet up with some disaster in their fate.

[M forever]

No, there is nothing pertaining to race, positive or negative, anywhere in that paragraph. As I suspected, you goofed and won't admit it. Hey, it doesn't cost you anything to make a baseless charge like that. It certainly can't hurt your reputation, can it?

Here:

Your first paragraph also contains some elements of more than latent racism and primitive tribal group thinking. What someone's family members may have done 2, 3 generations ago has little or nothing to do with what a person is or does today.

You certainly exhibit a lot of that primitive tribal group thinking which is the same as being racist and which is very obvious in all your "collective guilt" thinking exhibited in the post I replied to.

[M forever]

But M does mkae assertions from things I never intended to say.

What i was trying to get across is that M believes he knows so much about what Christ really taught.
Read the book of Revelation, see how Christ appears to you.

The Book of Revelation isn't about the teaching of Christ, no matter what these may have been. Just going by the gospels, there is no evidence of the kind of "they asked for it, so they deserve what they got" thinking you exhibit here. But there is a lot about forgiveness and not judging people, as groups or as individuals.

[head-case]

The Book of Revelation isn't about the teaching of Christ, no matter what these may have been. Just going by the gospels, there is no evidence of the kind of "they asked for it, so they deserve what they got" thinking you exhibit here. But there is a lot about forgiveness and not judging people, as groups or as individuals.

You like to talk, but you don't know much do you?

1: And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2: The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3: And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4: Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5: But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7: But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8: Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9: Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10: So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11: And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13: Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14: For many are called, but few are chosen.

[M forever]

That's what I said: while the gospels may or may not have much to do with the original substance of Jesus' teachings (we don't really know, but it's the closest we can get in any case), Revelations is already an obvious case of later interpretive literature. In any case, we do know that values such as forgiveness and not judging people appears to be a more originally "Christian" idea than "they got what they asked for".

[Bonehelm]

You like to talk, but you don't know much do you?

Well it's M, what do you expect?

[greg]

The Book of Revelation isn't about the teaching of Christ, no matter what these may have been.

That's what I said: while the gospels may or may not have much to do with the original substance of Jesus' teachings

i hate to be picky.....



it does start off like this:

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

but i also see what you mean to say, M. You just have in mind the contrast between how Revelations is more about prophesy and how earlier books like Matthew, etc. are about the LIFE of Jesus. So in your first post, it'd be more accurate if you would've written "life" instead of "teachings".

[Dancing Divertimentian]

omg, this post is the most full of sh*t post ever written!
M never jumps to conclusions about anyone, go jump off a building, you racist!

??

What just happened, here? Did you just call Drogulus a racist, Greg?? If so, you need to stuff a sock in it.

If it was your intention to make a joke it didn't come off at all.

Nothing of what Drog said is even remotely racist.

I, myself, have been a victim of M's false accusations right here on this thread. So your conception of events is in error...


   

[drogulus]

You certainly exhibit a lot of that primitive tribal group thinking which is the same as being racist and which is very obvious in all your "collective guilt" thinking exhibited in the post I replied to.

      I don't subscribe to collective guilt ideas. If Europeans don't want to joke about the war, I can think of reasons why that don't involve me thinking they're guilty of something. It's more a matter of attitudes Europeans have about the past than my ideas about them. They have no reason to care much about what Americans think. It's far more important what they think of each other.

      If you want to castigate a country in your "collective guilt" manner for an obsession with NAZIs and WWII pick on the British. They're the world champions at that sort of thing.

[knight66]

     
      If you want to castigate a country in your "collective guilt" manner for an obsession with NAZIs and WWII pick on the British. They're the world champions at that sort of thing.

Oh; the sound of another clunking generalisation hitting the floor. I really don't believe at all that you intend to be offensive; despite which, you have a rare talent for it.

Mike

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Oh; the sound of another clunking generalisation hitting the floor. I really don't believe at all that you intend to be offensive; despite which, you have a rare talent for it.

Mike

Well, now hold on, Mike...

M has opened the door to all kinds of generalizations on this thread and it's a bit late to be pointing fingers now.

We Americans have been taking it on the chin from him all through this thread.

Of course, two (or a dozen) wrongs don't make a right but you gotta hand it to M for setting a mighty big precedent, here...

[knight66]

I don't disagree with you at all there. I am just entering at the point where I feel there was really no reason to drag the UK into it and denigrate it. I am not patriotic, I do not feel; my country right or wrong...but the generalisation meant sweeping me and people I know up in the categorisation and it is not accurate.

By all means pick others up on their generalisations: I am always happy to see them challenged and nailed.

As an aside; M makes provocative generalisations and has a method of mixing fact with his opinion and putting it all across as fact. I have assumed it is part of his method of getting people to challenge him....he enjoys a good scrap.

Mike

[drogulus]

Oh; the sound of another clunking generalisation hitting the floor. I really don't believe at all that you intend to be offensive; despite which, you have a rare talent for it.

Mike

      Don't be silly. The British are entitled to their WWII preoccupations. I'm not casting aspersions on them, and I enjoy the Monty Python and Fawlty Towers sketches as much as anyone. It's a bigger deal for them than for Americans.

      No, I don't intend on giving offense, but I think you intend on taking it at the drop of a hat.

[knight66]

      Don't be silly. The British are entitled to their WWII preoccupations. I'm not casting aspersions on them, and I enjoy the Monty Python and Fawlty Towers sketches as much as anyone. It's a bigger deal for them than for Americans.

      No, I don't intend on giving offense, but I think you intend on taking it at the drop of a hat.

Just another generalisation; let's go look for the posts where I have been busy taking offense at the drop of a hat...best of luck.

Monty Python and Fawlty Towers are almost a generation old; they hardly display the current preoccupations or foreign concerns of this country, popular though those old programmes may be. We also still listen to the Beatles; but they are not still alive to us.

Mike

[Dancing Divertimentian]

I don't disagree with you at all there. I am just entering at the point where I feel there was really no reason to drag the UK into it and denigrate it. I am not patriotic, I do not feel; my country right or wrong...but the generalisation meant sweeping me and people I know up in your categorisation and it is not accurate.

Err, well, it wasn't my generalization...but I think you know that...

EDIT: Just saw your edit...

As an aside; M makes provocative generalisations and has a method of mixing fact with his opinion and putting it across as fact. I have assumed it is part of his method of getting people to challenge him....he enjoys a good scrap.

Then others are free to be just as liberal with their mixture of facts and opinions, too, right?

[knight66]

Yes, I did write the wrong word, sorry, I realised it and edited. Well, if we cut out all the speculation, generalisations and inacuracy here. The board would be pretty bare. 

Mike

[drogulus]

    I don't see how you can accuse me of giving offense without taking offense, and at nothing. So my comments are outdated, referring to '70s comedies, what difference does that make? Maybe the British have lost interest in WWII in the meantime. In any case I wasn't being insulting about it. I think it's funny, and I'm not making an accusation.

    So if the British are now the former World Champions at humor about WWII and NAZIs in particular, all I can say is it was a good run while it lasted.

[paulb]

Well it's M, what do you expect?

He's ina   trap//

I can't recall specifically., but have this memory that i saw this TV documentary on post WW2 europe, been too many yrs, can't recall exactly.

But during the program they showed this geramn audience watchinga  film of the concentration camps, and some in the audience were showing a  disrespectful attitude, giggling and chuckles.

Like in a  state of deep denial, "oh look how bad our parents were"

I promise i saw this image on the screen, but it was only a  short caption so i can't recall that part, and its been too long ago.
But I remember it.

After reading many of M's post, I get the feeling that what i saw was not my imagination.
I never doubted before what i saw, but eading M sort of further confirms the repression that is still *entrenched* in the german consciousness.
The german's killed their greatest prophet and set up *the false prophet* in exchange.
What other culture do we read something like this ? I wonder

Saul, you got any ideas