Barenboim's German interview

[Saul]

Listen to this interview and get the truth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN3K1Wsd-I0&feature=related

[The new erato]

Must be nice to have a monopoly on the truth...........

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

For the sake of balance:

http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0298.htm#Top

[Saul]

Benjamin Netanyahu really nails it in that interview.

[carlos]

I don't understand why such a mess for what DB had said.
Who cares what that silly guy and mediocre musician say?.
Remember that he's an argentinian, and nothing an argentinian can said on politics has any importance.

[MishaK]

Listen to this interview and get the truth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN3K1Wsd-I0&feature=related

"I'm being openly evasive"  

Sorry, but "truth"? I don't think so. The guy is proto-fascist. In any case, thanks for revealing the source of your Likudnik brainwashing. Your collectivist rant about Jewish victimhood and the evil of all others is basically verbatim what Netanyahu is saying. He's just a lot more eloquent than you. Good to see that you're staying true to yourself and not engaging on substance. 

I don't understand why such a mess for what DB had said.
Who cares what that silly guy and mediocre musician say?.
Remember that he's an argentinian, and nothing an argentinian can said on politics has any importance.

Lovely. Another erudite opinion by someone who thinks people ought to be judged by nationality instead of as individuals.

[carlos]

Argentinian isn't a nationality; is a misfortune.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Argentinian isn't a nationality; is a misfortune.

Carlos, you yourself are in Argentina, aren't you? Are you Argentinian? If so, why the hatred?

[carlos]

Yes, I'm and argentinian living in Buenos Aires all my life. And that's the reason for my profound despise for my compatriots.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Yes, I'm and argentinian living in Buenos Aires all my life. And that's the reason for my profound despise for my compatriots.

I am a Dutchman, living in Delft, born in Amsterdam. I don't approve of everything in The Netherlands, nor do I like every compatriot. But neither do I despise them for being Dutch. So - what's the reason for your violent dislike? The 'Dirty War'?

[MishaK]

Yes, I'm and argentinian living in Buenos Aires all my life. And that's the reason for my profound despise for my compatriots.

So then by your very own logic your Argentinian nationality disqualifies you from any further participation in this thread. Thank you for playing. Feel free to try again when you have a new passport.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Don't look for logic where hatred is so visceral, O Mensch. Still - I am interested to know what lies behind it.

[PSmith08]

So then by your very own logic your Argentinian nationality disqualifies you from any further participation in this thread. Thank you for playing. Feel free to try again when you have a new passport.

Snap.

Benjamin Netanyahu really nails it in that interview.

Yes, which is why Ehud Barak coalition beat Netanyahu by 388,546 votes. By Saul's logic, over three hundred thousand Israelis who voted in 1999 are "Jew haters," or Likud doesn't have the monopoly on the 'truth' in Israel. Let us also remember that, when Ehud Barak's government collapsed and Ariel Sharon become prime minister, that staunch Likudist ended up unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza and founding his own party, Kadima, which - when Mr. Sharon fell ill - propelled Ehud Olmert to power. Kadima is still the major party in the ruling coalition. So, Netanyahu might appeal to an extremist fringe, while most Israelis have consistently supported a more-moderate approach. I would love to see Saul explain this one away as anti-Semitism or cowardice. Maybe the people - you know - actually living in Israel and in the middle of the conflict (as opposed to being a YouTube-based performer living in the States) have a different idea of what's going on over there.

Of course, spouting the Likud Party platform from New York City is a lot easier than being in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, or Haifa and doing the same. You can be as extremist as you want without any real personal stake in the rhetoric or the policies. Roger Waters called it 'the bravery of being out of range.'

[Saul]

Snap.

Yes, which is why Ehud Barak coalition beat Netanyahu by 388,546 votes. By Saul's logic, over three hundred thousand Israelis who voted in 1999 are "Jew haters," or Likud doesn't have the monopoly on the 'truth' in Israel. Let us also remember that, when Ehud Barak's government collapsed and Ariel Sharon become prime minister, that staunch Likudist ended up unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza and founding his own party, Kadima, which - when Mr. Sharon fell ill - propelled Ehud Olmert to power. Kadima is still the major party in the ruling coalition. So, Netanyahu might appeal to an extremist fringe, while most Israelis have consistently supported a more-moderate approach. I would love to see Saul explain this one away as anti-Semitism or cowardice. Maybe the people - you know - actually living in Israel and in the middle of the conflict (as opposed to being a YouTube-based performer living in the States) have a different idea of what's going on over there.

Of course, spouting the Likud Party platform from New York City is a lot easier than being in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, or Haifa and doing the same. You can be as extremist as you want without any real personal stake in the rhetoric or the policies. Roger Waters called it 'the bravery of being out of range.'

Benjamin Netanyahu said general comments about the situation in Israel and the threat from Iran , the Hamas, and the Hezbollah. All of Israel agrees to these comments because they address all of Israel's challenges. No Israeli believes that a threat from Iran doesn't exist. Also the second Lebanon war was backed by the vast majority of Israel. So, I really don't know what your talking about.

By the way, if you don't know, I was raised in Israel and my father participated in the first Lebanon war,  and after that he served many years in the IDF. I also happen to have many family and friends there. And even if I was not an Israeli citizen , as a Jew I feel obligated to know what is going on in the land of my forefathers, much more then you will ever be interested.

[PSmith08]

Benjamin Netanyahu said general comments about the situation in Israel and the threat from Iran , the Hamas, and the Hezbollah. All of Israel agrees to these comments because they address all of Israel's challenges. No Israeli believes that a threat from Iran doesn't exist. Also the second Lebanon war was backed by the vast majority of Israel. So, I really don't know what your talking about.

That about which I spoke was merely this: your rhetoric (as well as that of Mr. Netanyahu) doesn't even sell with Israelis actually in the middle of the conflict. They recognize the problems, but they also seem interested in finding real, productive solutions to their challenges. Of course, one develops a sense of compromise and moderation when he's actually in the line of fire. There's something about being shot at, I'm told, that makes politicians' bigoted rhetoric seem a little pale.

By the way, if you don't know, I was raised in Israel and my father participated in the first Lebanon war,  and after that he served many years in the IDF. I also happen to have many family and friends there. And even if I was not an Israeli citizen , as a Jew I feel obligated to know what is going on in the land of my forefathers, much more then you will ever be interested.

Good for you. I'm happy for you. Well, I'm nominally a Roman Catholic, so I would be somewhat interested in the state of affairs of the Vatican, but the Lateran Accords were concluded in 1929. It's been pretty smooth sailing since, at least for the political status of the Holy See. I also hold a passport of the United States, and I don't see divided loyalties as being commensurate with my American citizenship.

[M forever]

Listen to this interview and get the truth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN3K1Wsd-I0&feature=related

Once again, you reply to detailed arguments from several posters, especially O Mensch, with copy-and-paste material from other sources, in this case a video. Can't you reply to those points yourself?

You could start by replying to this. I would also be very interested to read your answer:

Yes, which is why Ehud Barak coalition beat Netanyahu by 388,546 votes. By Saul's logic, over three hundred thousand Israelis who voted in 1999 are "Jew haters," or Likud doesn't have the monopoly on the 'truth' in Israel. Let us also remember that, when Ehud Barak's government collapsed and Ariel Sharon become prime minister, that staunch Likudist ended up unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza and founding his own party, Kadima, which - when Mr. Sharon fell ill - propelled Ehud Olmert to power. Kadima is still the major party in the ruling coalition. So, Netanyahu might appeal to an extremist fringe, while most Israelis have consistently supported a more-moderate approach. I would love to see Saul explain this one away as anti-Semitism or cowardice.

[Florestan]

O Mensch, PSmith08, M Forever: I too admire your patience, moderation and logic, but do you think they'll ever work with Saul? His ideological fanatism, his bigotted racism and his incapacity (and unwillingness) to see what's beyond the length of his nose disqualify him for any rational discussion. He is a Jewish suprematist by pure birth accident. He could have been as well a devout Nazi, an Arab suicide-bomber or an NKVD thug had he been born in the right place. The problem is this kind of people may seem harmless and pathetic, but, given the right conditions, they can become really dangerous.

Carlos, if everything Argentinian is worthless, how about yourself?

[carlos]

My birth in Argentina was an accident. Mi grandparents couldn't guess the future, and at that time (beginning of the past century) it was a sort of promise land. Now, is a conglomerate of many feudal kindoms managed by corrupt,stupid or degenerate capos, with a population principally poor, ignorant and incapable of react to the abuse.
I don't feel argentine at all, and in my mind, don't have anything to do with my compatriots.

[Florestan]

My birth in Argentina was an accident. Mi grandparents couldn't guess the future, and at that time (beginning of the past century) it was a sort of promise land. Now, is a conglomerate of many feudal kindoms managed by corrupt,stupid or degenerate capos, with a population principally poor, ignorant and incapable of react to the abuse.
I don't feel argentine at all, and in my mind, don't have anything to do with my compatriots.

Then why don't you move to another country?

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Then why don't you move to another country?

I see Carlos is 65, Florestan... I think, if he had been able to, he would have emigrated by now. And besides - to emigrate you need money and qualifications, which not everybody has. Countries aren't that welcoming to immigrants.

Sad story, all the same. It looks like the equivalent of someone born in the wrong body.