David Icke is coming to my Student Union!

[Guido]

I am excited. What questions do you suggest I ask? I imagine that I'll only get one. So far I can't choose between:

Where is the genealogy you claim links so many world leaders past and present (and where did you discover it)?

If the Illuminati really are controlling the world why haven't they
a) silenced you
b) killed you
c) replaced you with a shape shifting lizzard being?

Can you prove that you're not a shapeshifting lizzard being?

etc. etc.

So many questions that one could ask. Suggestions please! What fun.

[Sean]

Guido, this is very interesting. His he really making an appearence? Are you at Cambridge? I do have a question for him I could advise you of...

[Ephemerid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RinF8BiDNaU

"Are you listenin'?  What I'm sayin' is REEEEEEALLLL...."

[Guido]

Yes he is speaking at the Union on Monday. What question do you suggest I ask. I sometimes get the feeling that at some point down the line he realised that he had gone too far but then it was too late and it would be too embarrasing to duck out of it all. f people actually lived by the stuff that he preaches about I think he would get pretty scared - I have seen a few interviews where the interviewer does something a bit mental and he reacts by trying to speak sense into them and be real...anyway, your question?

[lukeottevanger]

You're a member of the Union Society, Guido?

[Sean]

Hello Guido- some notes here for you and my own file...

I would ask him that though there are surely elite groups having great power behind visible world leaders, many of the objectionable trends in society particularly concerning the undermining of critical thought, international war and developing surveillance technology are better explained overall by postmodern developments in Western democracies.

The loss of the sense of hierarchical values, the tendencies toward uniformity of thought through the media's increasing influence and reach and promotion of mass culture, along with its direct proclamation of official world-views in place of critical journalism (and the reduction of art to more superficial terms of reception, such as in Radio 3's relinquishing of its high-art status), can be explained by the rise of the average ability of the population as the nature of democracies manifests itself. The average ability by definition is less critical, more receptive to media influence, and with more limited capacity for aesthetic and ethical experience and its concomitant creative and intuitive thinking.

Icke speaks of different kinds of people- those who are in the world but not of it, and those who are in the world and of it: he's exactly right here but doesn't seem to follow it though and instead seems to treat people equally in the rest of his thinking. It is the different nature of the masses from the more genuinely aware elite few with exceptional abilities, and the democratic mass's prevention of the elite occupying leadership roles by voting in populist figures to pander to their greed and short sightedness, that has corrupted Western societies. The masses don't want to be told that left to their own devices they create a society with poor values, so some of the negative social changes seem secretive, to the genuinely critical mind that can see them, but they've just arisen out of the system not from beyond it.

The elite groups behind leaders that do exist just provide the reality that the democratic masses already want: they want to loot the world as far as they can to maintain their standard of living and don't really care how many women and children their soldiers kill in distant other countries. The use of 80% of the resources by 20% of the population while the other 80% gets by on the other 20% is just fine for democratic peoples who vote in populist leaders who assure their living standards by implementation of exploitative foreign and controlling domestic policies issued by elite groups that the leaders really represent. The distinction between what leaders say and what is done is the psychological justification for the desires of the masses- when they're in ultimate control as they are in democracies.

Could also mention peak oil, or the half way point of use of the world's oil, and the scarcity and increasing prices from the present point onwards- again no one wants to know much about it because there's no good answer to the problem, no serious alternative to oil- yet peak oil is overwhelmingly the major event of the 21st century, and easily explains 9/11 and the American Middle East invasion.

[Haffner]

Remind me to stay far, far away.

[Guido]

Yes I am Luke  I joined it in the rush of Fresher's week not realising what a public school pointless waste of time place that it is, but ah well. Occasionally there are good things on but, all too rarely.

Sean I don't think that I'll be able to ask such a detailed question. That line of thinking seems to be very heavily influenced by Nietzsche in his Beyond Good and Evil (and of course ultimately Plato)... I don't think the 'better explanation' idea will work as he apparently genuinly believes in shape shifting aliens - it's not as if he's rationally come to the conclusion that this is the best explanation of our environment.

Personaly I am far more terrified of the idea of Heat Death of the Universe. What a sad end that would be.

[greg]

this sounds good:

If the Illuminati really are controlling the world why haven't they
a) silenced you
b) killed you
c) replaced you with a shape shifting lizzard being?

although i'm sure he's prepared for the questions anyways....