Domenico Scarlatti (1685-1757)

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The new erato

Quote from: jochanaan on July 06, 2009, 11:06:11 AM
Oh really?  And when was the last time you listened to Haydn's Surprise Symphony? ;D Or any number of other Haydn compositions, BTW; he was a master at confounding expectations. 8)
Well I see your point, and I certainly don't want to suggest that classicism is uninventive (I could also here mention Boccherini), but still Scarlatti's inventiveness to me seems baroque. Perhaps he is just one of those unplaceable between-periods composers, CPE Bach is another one of those who belongs to both eras as well as neither of them, just being their wacky selves.

jochanaan

Quote from: erato on July 06, 2009, 11:13:50 AM
Well I see your point, and I certainly don't want to suggest that classicism is uninventive (I could also here mention Boccherini), but still Scarlatti's inventiveness to me seems baroque. Perhaps he is just one of those unplaceable between-periods composers, CPE Bach is another one of those who belongs to both eras as well as neither of them, just being their wacky selves.
Fair enough. 8)
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cliftwood

Quote from: erato on July 06, 2009, 11:13:50 AM
Well I see your point, and I certainly don't want to suggest that classicism is uninventive (I could also here mention Boccherini), but still Scarlatti's inventiveness to me seems baroque. Perhaps he is just one of those unplaceable between-periods composers, CPE Bach is another one of those who belongs to both eras as well as neither of them, just being their wacky selves.

I'd hardly desribe Scarlatti and C.P.E. Bach as wacky. Both of these composers were out front of their time musically and I marvel at the originality of the music they composed.

71 dB

Quote from: erato on July 06, 2009, 09:20:13 AM
An alternate take of course is that they are in danger of knowing what they are talking about.

That's an ideal situation, a perfect balance between reading and thinking but people often only believe they know what they are talking about. It's best to have an open and humble mind. One day I might understand the genius on D. Scarlatti better but I won't just believe what I read. That would be religious.

Quote from: jochanaan on July 06, 2009, 10:53:44 AM
I think you were the first to include even the initial and thus acknowledge that there is more than one Scarlatti! :D Domenico's father Alessandro Scarlatti was also a major composer, although I'm only familiar with some of his lovely wind concertos.

Yes, and I said Alessandro has impressed me more than Domenico. Alessandro was an expert of vocal chamber music.
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Quote from: cliftwood on July 06, 2009, 12:03:36 PM
I'd hardly desribe Scarlatti and C.P.E. Bach as wacky. Both of these composers were out front of their time musically and I marvel at the originality of the music they composed.
Perhaps there's nuances here I don't catch (English being a second language to me). I interpret wacky as slightly over-the-top original.

cliftwood

Quote from: erato on July 06, 2009, 12:07:34 PM
Perhaps there's nuances here I don't catch (English being a second language to me). I interpret wacky as slightly over-the-top original.

In that case, I'm in total agreement with you! :)

Ten thumbs

Whilst D. Scarlatti's sonatas my seem more inventive than their early classical counterparts in Italy, it should be borne in mind that they were written under royal patronage. Perhaps it was the queen who was the wacky one!
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

Marc

Well hello, it's the wacky Queen again!


jochanaan

Quote from: cliftwood on July 06, 2009, 12:03:36 PM
I'd hardly desribe Scarlatti and C.P.E. Bach as wacky. Both of these composers were out front of their time musically and I marvel at the originality of the music they composed.
Oh, most of the great composers were pretty wacky. ;D
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Quote from: jochanaan on July 07, 2009, 07:25:12 AM
Oh, most of the great composers were pretty wacky. ;D
Agreed. My previous point was that when writing for a single patron it is necessary to avoid repetition. This was not a problem Handel had.
A day may be a destiny; for life
Lives in but little—but that little teems
With some one chance, the balance of all time:
A look—a word—and we are wholly changed.

cliftwood

Add another wonderful Scarlatti player to the list.

Soyeon Lee.

She was the winner of the 2004 Concert Artists Guild International Competition.

It's on Naxos and she really is special. There are a number of Sonatas hardly ever recorded, which makes this CD very desirable.

karlhenning

Quote from: jochanaan on July 07, 2009, 07:25:12 AM
Oh, most of the great composers were pretty wacky. ;D

I couldn't possibly have an opinion.

Coopmv

Here is a pretty decent CD of Scarlatti's works ...


Coopmv

Here is another excellent Scarlatti's recording on piano IMO.  I have owned this CD for at least 10 years.  A used copy of this CD will now set you back $30 on Amazon ...


71 dB

Quote from: cliftwood on July 09, 2009, 07:08:51 AM
Add another wonderful Scarlatti player to the list.

Soyeon Lee.

She was the winner of the 2004 Concert Artists Guild International Competition.

It's on Naxos and she really is special. There are a number of Sonatas hardly ever recorded, which makes this CD very desirable.

Looks like my 2nd D. Scarlatti disc...  :P
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Quote from: Que on July 11, 2009, 02:44:43 PM
Yes, why settle for less..... 8)

Q

I often wish that this set (the original release) took up less shelf space than it does, but, my,
what fine performances!
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That's Scott Ross, right? He plays the works on harpsichord I imagine?

Coopmv

Quote from: George on July 12, 2009, 06:12:57 AM
That's Scott Ross, right? He plays the works on harpsichord I imagine?

I may have a few harpsichord recordings by Scott Ross on LP.