Experts 'rebuild' J.S. Bach's face

Started by Morigan, February 29, 2008, 02:32:47 PM

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Mark

Looks like a WWF wrestler.

'The Bad-tempered Cavalier', perhaps?

Josquin des Prez

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Rubbish. Not only it looks terrible, but it's also far from being accurate considering the actual documents we have of his psychosomatic likeness:



I guess this research is an example of what we get when general education goes down the drain. She obviously didn't earn her degree.

QuoteIt's always this old man with a wig type of image we have in mind when we hear the name or think of how he looked.

Yeah, we need something with more orgasmic orchestral power to it. 

FideLeo

Quote from: Mark on February 29, 2008, 02:45:21 PM
Looks like a WWF wrestler.

'The Bad-tempered Cavalier', perhaps?

Bach seems to have got into trouble with his management a lot.  Handel never needed
to have a duel to settle things.  I agree that the reconstruction is remarklably
similar to the Hausmann portrait.
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

bassio

Instead of wasting precious time and resources on non-beneficial research like that, why don't they concentrate their efforts on trying to uncover more of his lost music. Geez.  ::)

Harry

Well his face looks more like a guy you could meet in the streets nowadays, so that was kind of revelatory to say the least. :)

vanessa_zang

Can someone post the pic here? Can't open BBC websites from China.

Thanks!

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: vanessa_zang on March 01, 2008, 04:04:23 AM
Can someone post the pic here? Can't open BBC websites from China.

Thanks!

Here you go, Vanessa:




Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

vanessa_zang

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 01, 2008, 04:14:45 AM
Here you go, Vanessa:




Sarge

Remember WWF in the late 80's? Bach, missing a couple of teeth, can be the third "Bushwacker".

(This is Paul posting)

greg

Quote from: vanessa_zang on March 01, 2008, 04:57:04 AM
Remember WWF in the late 80's? Bach, missing a couple of teeth, can be the third "Bushwacker".

(This is Paul posting)
LOL! I remember those two guys. Weren't they the ones who knocked their heads together before each match? He does look a bit like them.

vanessa_zang

Here you go:


Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on February 29, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
Rubbish. Not only it looks terrible...

I think the images look very similar




Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

greg

well, a terrible version of a similar thing.....

Mark G. Simon

Quote from: fl.traverso on February 29, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
Bach seems to have got into trouble with his management a lot.  Handel never needed
to have a duel to settle things.  I agree that the reconstruction is remarklably
similar to the Hausmann portrait.

Actually Handel did get into a duel once with the composer and theorist Johann Mattheson.

From Handel, the man and his music by Jonathan Keates:

On the evening of 5 December, 1704, Mattheson's opera Cleopatra was being given its second performance at the Gänsemarkt. The composer not only figured as conductor, but as one of the stars, in the role of Antony. Having fallen on his sword, and had his death scene, he was then at liberty to slip into the pit and take over at the harpsichord. Handel, who had migrated from second fiddle desk to the keyboard, now refused to budge, though Mattheson, as director of his own opera, had an acknowledged right to take over.

Furious with each other, they managed to get to the end of the show, while several of the orchestral players egged them on. There was a challenge at the stage door, a crowd gathered, the two men drew their weapons and set to in the open market place outside the theater. It was a duel which, as Mattheson tells us, "might have passed off very unfortunately for both of us, had God's guidance not graciously ordained that my blade, thrusting against my opponent's broad metal coat-button, should be shattered".

FideLeo

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on March 01, 2008, 07:03:11 AM
Actually Handel did get into a duel once with the composer and theorist Johann Mattheson.

I blame this on Mattheson, who was notoriously quick-tempered. ;)
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Gurn Blanston

Quote from: bassio on March 01, 2008, 03:36:15 AM
Instead of wasting precious time and resources on non-beneficial research like that, why don't they concentrate their efforts on trying to uncover more of his lost music. Geez.  ::)

Perhaps because physical anthropologists don't actually search for lost music...?  :)

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longears

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 01, 2008, 05:39:19 AM
I think the images look very similar

I agree.  When I saw the reconstruction I was immediately struck by the similarity and wondered if they had used the famous portrait as a reference!

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: longears on March 01, 2008, 08:37:21 AM
I agree.  When I saw the reconstruction I was immediately struck by the similarity and wondered if they had used the famous portrait as a reference!

I think it just verifies how well they did, since ideally they don't use a reference so that they aren't influenced by it. IMO, they did a splendid job of it. :)

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EmpNapoleon

This, again, is the face of Jesus, from the same "experts."  They say, 'He would have stood 5-foot-1-inch tall and weighed 110 pounds..."  What about Bach?  He always looks a bit heavy.