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Quote from: paulrbass on January 25, 2012, 06:33:04 PMI would classify it as the best concerto written for the bass....but a major problem with it is that it's over-orchestrated for the bass
Quote from: paulrbass on January 25, 2012, 06:33:04 PM'Twas merely a question. I would classify it as the best concerto written for the bass....but a major problem with it is that it's over-orchestrated for the bass
Quote from: paulrbass on January 25, 2012, 06:45:44 PMMost of the symphonies from the Jarvi set, and the music from the bass concerto disc
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 25, 2012, 05:01:41 PMWhat a sad life Tubin lived. He, of course, lived in Sweden for a good portion of his life due to Soviet occupancy of Estonia. His music as I continue to listen reveals, especially in the later works, a feeling of homesickness and depression that the country he once knew would never regain it's independence. Of course, this isn't true as Estonia finally gained independence in 1991. If only Tubin had lived to see this, he would have died a happy man.
Quote from: Velimir on January 25, 2012, 09:08:12 PMAn interesting side point to this, however, is that he made several trips back to Estonia during the 1960s, mainly to promote his own works in his homeland. His work was even recorded by Melodiya, the official Soviet record company. This was characteristic of the "Thaw" period - I think his first visit was made about the same time as Stravinsky's triumphant return to Russia.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 25, 2012, 10:29:12 AMAnyone else familiar with this work and this recording? Volmer seems to be a highly acclaimed interpreter of Tubin seeing as he's already recorded the symphonies.
Quote from: Christo on January 26, 2012, 09:26:27 AMHe definitely is. Yes, I own the cd, for a couple of years already. But no: didn't find time to play it really. Love all the symphonies dearly though, especially the later ones (6-10) and the Lirica (no. 4).
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 26, 2012, 05:48:01 PMYou haven't listened to Kratt yet? Oh my...You're going to have to remedy this, Christo as soon as possible!
Quote from: vandermolen on January 27, 2012, 12:19:15 PMA former colleague of mind said that Tubin's fine 4th Symphony reminded him always of Vaughan Williams's 'A Pastoral Symphony' - an interesting point. My enthusiasm for Tubin remains undimmed. If you like him try Raid's Symphony No 1 on Chandos - a magnificent score.
Quote from: Dundonnell on January 27, 2012, 03:12:39 PMHe clearly admires Symphonies Nos. 2, 4, 5, 6 and No.7 "perhaps the most impressive of the cycle in its purposeful construction and its scope".
Quote from: Dundonnell on January 27, 2012, 03:12:39 PMHow do Tubin admirers respond to the following criticisms (from the Pimlico Dictionary of Twentieth Century Composers):"Their(the symphonies) failings are their unmemorable melodies and moments of banality(eg the quasi-jazz rhythms crossed with Khachaturian-like melodic line of the second movement of the sixth symphony); overall they add little to the body of symphonic language or structure."It has to be said however that Mark Morris (the author) does have many complimentary things to say about individual symphonies and praises "the Scandinavian inevitability, the earnestness of an exile" and the "generally dark-hued view of the world".He clearly admires Symphonies Nos. 2, 4, 5, 6 and No.7 "perhaps the most impressive of the cycle in its purposeful construction and its scope". The concerti and non-symphonic orchestral music are dismissed as "anachronistic, trite, totally overblown and unmemorable".I happen to love the Tubin symphonies and would reject Morris's criticisms but it would be interesting to hear a response from others.
Quote from: vandermolen on January 28, 2012, 05:22:33 AMWhat a load of old rubbish! I mean the Pimlico Dictionary remarks - not you post Colin I must listen to No 7, which I hardly know. I think that the symphonies are full of memorable thematic material and convey a strong sense of organic growth and a feeling for nature. Admirers of Tubin might like the Kinsella, Raid and Lilburn symphonies (Nos 1 and 2 at least).
Quote from: Christo on January 27, 2012, 11:19:43 AM Yessir!
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