Started by vandermolen, March 02, 2008, 01:52:04 AM
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Quote from: vandermolen on March 14, 2008, 02:07:36 AMBax/Myaskovsky sounds about right to me for that movement.I was listening to Lyatoshinsky symphs 2 and 3 in the last couple of days. Reminded me of Tubin.
Quote from: Jezetha on March 14, 2008, 02:12:18 AMSo, another symphonist to look out for!But - I'd be interested to know what you make of my, slightly negative, assessment (if you have the time, that is)...
Quote from: vandermolen on March 14, 2008, 03:44:49 AMAt work, so a bit rushed. I'll listen to Tubin's 5th Symphony over the weekend and report back (I have three recordings Jarvi, Father and son+the Alba version) I suspect that you would like Lyatoshinsky Symphony 2 and 3, very much in the Tubin/Myaskovsky mould.
Quote from: Jezetha on March 14, 2008, 04:00:14 AMTake your time, Jeffrey.Seeing you have three interpretations, I think you could be in a better position to judge the work, as I only have the Järvi père. Still, the outlines of the work are very clear, as is its trajectory. A conductor can't change those, being the parameters within which he/she has to work. Whether differences in tempi, and the moulding of phrases, and the placing of structural accents could change my perception of the work, its quality, its harmonic and melodic substance?....JohanP.S. I found an article about Lyatoshinsky et al. I uploaded it to MediFire:http://www.mediafire.com/?iadjvjjynzs
Quote from: Jezetha on March 14, 2008, 01:56:32 AMIn conclusion - the Fourth shows Tubin at his lyrical best, the Sixth at his most violent, and the Fifth sits uncomfortably in the middle...
Quote from: Christo on March 31, 2008, 11:59:48 PMYour final verdict?
Quote from: Jezetha on April 01, 2008, 12:02:56 AMNo verdict can ever be final in the case of art. But the Fifth - I still don't love it...
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2008, 02:55:41 AM`Oh yes it can!' Not in art perhaps, but in life there's much finality - commonly known as death. The point being, that I've always had the same reservations with the opening of the Fifth, though I never analysed my reservations (as I never discussed Tubin with anyone so far). I always explained them as part of a period of less inspired works, after his escape to Sweden in 1944.I find not only the Fifth lacking in inspiration, but the Piano Concertino from the same year (1945) as well - a very un-Tubinlike work, imho. Yet, from the late fourties on, he resumes his strength, cumulating in his personal `Sacre', a creative eruption not unlike Vermeulen's Second, the Sixth Symphony.Btw: I recently discovered some Tubinesque qualities in the Second and especially Third symphonies by Léon Orthel. Did you ever hear his symphonic work? Like also the late Evocazione or the Second Scherzo for orchestra, both available in different recordings.
Quote from: Dundonnell on April 01, 2008, 04:03:44 AMIt is a long time since I listened to my collection of Tubin's music! (I have the Neeme Jarvi BIS set.)Tubin is a composer whose music really does appeal to me-as does most Nordic orchestral music! I DO remember that the 5th symphony was the one which had the least appeal for me. However, all I can remember was that it sounded like a bit of a Prokofiev off-cut without the heroic drama of the first three symphonies(perhaps occasionally marked by a degree of bombast?) or the tragic mien of the last symphonies.It is so difficult to find the time to go back to play enough of my favourite composers when I keep on adding new CDs to my collection!Just a few minutes ago the postman brought 6 more(Sir Edward German's 2nd symphony, Cecil Armstrong Gibbs 'Odysseus' Symphony,a collection of viola music by Hindemith, the same composer's Oratorio 'Das Unaufhorliche', a long deleted EMI CD of music by d'Indy-including his Wallenstein Trilogy, and two piano concertos by Montague Phillips). Why are there only 24 hours in the day??
Quote from: Jezetha on April 01, 2008, 04:15:08 AMA bit off-topic, but - what's Gibbs' 'Westmorland' Symphony like?!
Quote from: Dundonnell on April 01, 2008, 04:03:44 AMJust a few minutes ago the postman brought 6 more (... Cecil Armstrong Gibbs 'Odysseus' Symphony ... )
Quote from: Christo on April 01, 2008, 07:04:35 AMBy Juve! I didn't know it has been recorded, only knowing (& cherishing) the Marco Polo CD with his First and Third `Westmorland' - a personal favourite of mine, for the sake of it's entirely beautiful [Auden quote] final movement and for it's deeply moving, humane qualities.Where, when, whatever, how, and why do we find his Second, the Odysseus? Tell us all, please!
Quote from: Jezetha on May 03, 2009, 02:32:42 PMThank for the vids, Sarah. Great piece, the Fourth. Tubin's happiest symphonic creation, I think.
Quote from: vandermolen on May 03, 2009, 02:49:41 PMA friend though that Tubin's great Symphony No 4 reminded him of Vaughan Williams's 'A Pastoral Symphony'. Tubin's 4th Symphony is one of my favourites (with No 1,2 and 10). The BIS CD has an interesting cover photo of the composer contemplating stepping in to a partially submerged boat.
Quote from: Dundonnell on May 03, 2009, 03:24:27 PMI doubt if Tubin is actually contemplating stepping into the boat, Jeffrey; certainly not the way he is dressed
Quote from: vandermolen on May 03, 2009, 02:49:41 PMThe BIS CD has an interesting cover photo of the composer contemplating stepping in to a partially submerged boat.
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