The unimportant news thread

[Karl Henning]

Too bad it isn't. It should be. Karl Marx was dead right on this one. 

Well, in my dreams, I suppose it should be, too.

[Florestan]

if there is no monetary exchange, and the underlying act is legal, should pornography be banned?  If so, on what grounds?

I have just stated my position: I am a Christian, for me morality trumps any mundane legality. Morally speaking, pornography is intrinsically evil, even it be legally okay.

Not that I am the most righteous person in this regard... 

[ibanezmonster]

I have just stated my position: I am a Christian, for me morality trumps any mundane legality. Morally speaking, pornography is intrinsically evil, even it be legally okay.

Not that I am the most righteous person in this regard... 

At least this argue makes sense, even though I'm not sure if I agree with it or not.

[Ken B]

I am a Christian

Worse, an engineer!

[Florestan]

There should be something fulfilling about spending 40-80 hours a week of your time on something (something fulfilling besides money)...

You wish!...

The whole modern world is a giant conspiracy to rob all people of their right place! Just ask snyprrrrr... 

[Karl Henning]

Just ask snyprrrrr... 

You wicked, wicked man!        0:)

[Florestan]

Worse, an engineer!

Have you read Lucky Per by Henrik Pontoppidan?

[Ken B]

Morally speaking, pornography is intrinsically evil, even it be legally okay.

See, now I say the same thing about prayer.

But let's not get off topic. 

[Todd]

Okay, if you don't believe the article I found, find one that states that most people like their job and defend why it's more valid than this one.
Obviously, anything I find will be subject to overanalysis and won't be valid because it represents the opinion that isn't equal to your opinion, so I'll let you find something.

You are the one making assertions about most people disliking or, better yet (?), hating work.  You would need to provide solid evidence, and be able to understand why the underlying survey questions may end up skewing results in the evidence you do provide.

I see you like to twist my words and apply different meanings to them to try to evade the overall point that I'm making.

Incorrect.  I simply respond to what you write, not what you wish you had written.  Let's take a look at your gem of a post again:

Well, if the prostitute is being forced to prostitute, then that would definitely be a rape. For someone who chooses to make money off of sex, then I don't see how you can say there is a rape involved if they are willing. Of course, it may involve degradation and psychological harm, but so do most jobs out there (not to mention many jobs involve greater risk of physical harm). The only argument I can understand against prostitution would be from a religious perspective, but then again, there's supposed to be a separation between the church and the state...

The bolded selection attempts to establish a false equivalency between prostitution and most jobs.  That is what you wrote.  You later tried to qualify your statement by selecting first one of the most dangerous of all jobs (combat soldier) and then a partial list of inherently dangerous jobs, and so on. 

What exactly is your overall point?

[Ken B]

Have you read Lucky Per by Henrik Pontoppidan?

Nope. Nor at $80 will I!

[Todd]

Morally speaking, pornography is intrinsically evil, even it be legally okay.

Should all pornography be banned because your Christian morality dictates it should be?  Should all law be based primarily on Christian morality?

[Karl Henning]

There are, for instance, Americans in whose opinion classical statuary is "pornography."

[Ken B]

There are, for instance, Americans in whose opinion classical statuary is "pornography."

There are some who think music and composing evil.

[ibanezmonster]

You are the one making assertions about most people disliking or, better yet (?), hating work.  You would need to provide solid evidence, and be able to understand why the underlying survey questions may end up skewing results in the evidence you do provide.





Incorrect.  I simply respond to what you write, not what you wish you had written.  Let's take a look at your gem of a post again:



The bolded selection attempts to establish a false equivalency between prostitution and most jobs.  That is what you wrote.  You later tried to qualify your statement by selecting first one of the most dangerous of all jobs (combat soldier) and then a partial list of inherently dangerous jobs, and so on. 

What exactly is your overall point?

Most jobs are degrading, in a way. Most people can do more with their life than what they do to get paid. And similarly, prostitution can be degrading as well. People put up with stuff that they don't want to do. How degrading a profession is may be in the eye of the beholder. And there may be some prostitutes out there that don't necessarily find it degrading, but may even enjoy it. Likewise with any job.

So my point is that work is degrading, in general. Opinions may vary.

And what about the statistics on people who like their job being a favorable number?

[Todd]

Most jobs are degrading, in a way.

How so?  The rest of your statements rely on this, so please elaborate how over half of all jobs are degrading. 

Ultimately, the statement "So my point is that work is degrading, in general" is something one would attribute to someone who is lazy and selfish and who has an enormous sense of entitlement.

[ibanezmonster]

How so?  The rest of your statements rely on this, so please elaborate how over half of all jobs are degrading. 

Ultimately, the statement "So my point is that work is degrading, in general" is something one would attribute to someone who is lazy and selfish and who has an enormous sense of entitlement.

Okay, now the name calling begins...

anyways, how exactly is prostitution degrading? IIRC, the argument was "because it takes advantage of a woman's financial situation, and if she may be willing to prostitute, it is only out economic necessity." Is this correct?

[Karl Henning]

[...]
anyways, how exactly is prostitution degrading?

Your question cannot be serious.

[Todd]

Okay, now the name calling begins...

Not name calling as much as the simple recognition that making the statement "work is degrading, in general" is inherently lazy and selfish, and betrays a sense of entitlement.  This is the mindset of those who believe society owes them something.

anyways, how exactly is prostitution degrading?

This is a profoundly stupid question.

[ibanezmonster]

This is a profoundly stupid question.

Your question cannot be serious.

I'm not asking because I'm wondering why, I'm asking because I want a precise definition from those against legalization.


(not that I'm saying prostitution is a good thing, since it obviously isn't)

[Henk]

I'm not asking because I'm wondering why, I'm asking because I want a precise definition from those against legalization.


(not that I'm saying prostitution is a good thing, since it obviously isn't)

I think when a woman has kids prostitution should not be an option. When a woman has no kids, well she needs in some way spend her time, so prositution can be legal. Prostitution is better than slavery, when you do rank people (just a consideration, not yet speaking in terms of moral).

Good question, Greg.