J.S. Bach on the Organ

[jlaurson]

Neither do I hear any Pachelbel at all in BWV 565.

Isn't the pedal work rather more Pachelbelish than Bachish, though? (And haven't I heard Koopman say something to that effect?)
But yes, we do indeed not have proof one way or the other. Although after reading R.D Claus' book on it, I should think that it's 49-51 on the side of not being original Bach.

[prémont]

Isn't the pedal work rather more Pachelbelish than Bachish, though? (And haven't I heard Koopman say something to that effect?)
But yes, we do indeed not have proof one way or the other. Although after reading R.D Claus' book on it, I should think that it's 49-51 on the side of not being original Bach.

In the Toccata the pedal hasn´t but supporting function. This is a common occurrence in German baroque organ music and may indicate anyone, even the young Bach. In the Fugue I don´t hear Pachelbel in the use of the pedal, rather Buxtehude or someone influenced by him, and this might well indicate the young Bach.

[jlaurson]

In the Toccata the pedal hasn´t but supporting function. This is a common occurrence in German baroque organ music and may indicate anyone, even the young Bach. In the Fugue I don´t hear Pachelbel in the use of the pedal, rather Buxtehude or someone influenced by him, and this might well indicate the young Bach.

I'm sorry... I meant Buxtehude.  Well, that's at least who Koopman talks about.

[prémont]

I'm sorry... I meant Buxtehude.  Well, that's at least who Koopman talks about.

I agree about that, but I do not find, that this rules out the young Bach.

[karlhenning]

Even Bach was young once . . . .

[Bulldog]

Yeah, some of them (Rübsam/Naxos).

Since you now indicate that you have little exposure to Pachelbel's organ works, I suggest you stick to the one composer you do know something about.

[Bulldog]

In the Toccata the pedal hasn´t but supporting function. This is a common occurrence in German baroque organ music and may indicate anyone, even the young Bach. In the Fugue I don´t hear Pachelbel in the use of the pedal, rather Buxtehude or someone influenced by him, and this might well indicate the young Bach.

In addition, after hearing every Pachelbel organ work, I'm very confident that none of them has the type of emotional content in BWV 565. 

[prémont]

Since you now indicate that you have little exposure to Pachelbel's organ works, I suggest you stick to the one composer you do know something about.

Highly seconded.
I suppose you mean Elgar.

[Antoine Marchand]

I had been out of house all the day.

Now, I was hoping to read some nice memories about great recitals. But the thread is on fire, guys.

My vote about the BWV 565:

The young Bach searching for a job or trying to strike some people with theatrical effects. Bach is there, but in a youthful and showy sense.   

Just today I bought the set by Karl Richter (3 CDs) recommended by Jens and the first track brought to my ears –what else?-, the Dracula Toccata. Pure Bach, I swear  0:).

[Bulldog]

Highly seconded.
I suppose you mean Elgar.

Actually, I was thinking of the dynamic Dittersdorf.

[71 dB]

This is very unpleasant forum. Most probably BWV 565 is by Bach. I just told you guys I could believe if someone wise told me it is by Pachelbel or Buxtehude or even Bruhns. Why on earth is the authenticy in doubt if the work is so clearly Bach?

[prémont]

This is very unpleasant forum.

Your imagination is limited.

Part of your problem may be your way of addressing yourself.

[prémont]

Actually, I was thinking of the dynamic Dittersdorf.

One more Dittersdorf?

[Bulldog]

One more Dittersdorf?

Let's hope there's only one.

[71 dB]

Part of your problem may be your way of addressing yourself.

Well, if he says he can't imagine BWV 565 being composed by someone else than Bach then calling his imagination limited is about stating a fact rather than an insult. At least I didn't mean to insult anyone.

[71 dB]

Let's hope there's only one.

Why? Is someone forcing you to listen to Dittersdorf? You can ignore all the Dittersdorfs there ever was, can't you?

I really don't get the anti-Dittersdorf vibe around here. He's a very fine composer and I enjoy his music a lot.

[Bulldog]

Why? Is someone forcing you to listen to Dittersdorf? You can ignore all the Dittersdorfs there ever was, can't you?

Wouldn't you agree that one Dittersdorf is enough?  Right after this posting, I'm going to check the phone book to make sure there aren't any of them right here in Albuquerque.

[bhodges]

Wouldn't you agree that one Dittersdorf is enough?  Right after this posting, I'm going to check the phone book to make sure there aren't any of them right here in Albuquerque.

 

--Bruce

[Bulldog]

This is very unpleasant forum.

I'm sorry, but I can't stop laughing at your description of our esteemed board.  

[Coopmv]

This is very unpleasant forum. Most probably BWV 565 is by Bach. I just told you guys I could believe if someone wise told me it is by Pachelbel or Buxtehude or even Bruhns. Why on earth is the authenticy in doubt if the work is so clearly Bach?

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