Brahms Chamber Music

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Que

#20
May 03, 2007, 08:05:33 AM
Quote from: val on May 03, 2007, 01:05:02 AM
I have the CD of the Raphael Ensemble. The sound is beautiful but it is all too "polite". I am sorry, but I cannot be more specific. I feel that something is missing, that I find in the Amadeus set, or the Berlin Octet.

Regarding the piano trios it is a pity that no one seems to care about the recent version of the Trio Wanderer. They are really extraordinary.

Seems to be a bit the "British style" of chamber music playing.. ;D
It does in any case applies to the trios by the Florestan and the quintets by the Raphael Ensemble - I do like their sextets, however.

Q

samtrb

#21
May 03, 2007, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: val on May 03, 2007, 01:05:02 AM
Regarding the piano trios it is a pity that no one seems to care about the recent version of the Trio Wanderer. They are really extraordinary.

i know the Trio Wanderer in Mendelssohn' trios and i love that disc

stingo

#22
May 05, 2007, 04:28:07 AM
I have the Raphael Ensemble disc of the sextets and like it a lot - but I think the best I've ever heard was a live performance of both sextets at the Philadelphia Museum of Art by members of the Philadelphia Orchestra. Fantastic!

The Froest recording of the clarinet sonatas is excellent as well.

Steve

#23
May 07, 2007, 01:32:04 PM
Beside his fourth symphony, these Piano Trios were probably my introduction to the world of Brahms. For years I have treasured this wonderful recording on Philips, without ever feeling the need to try another. Any other reccomendations for these? A simple amazon search revealed many resuts, so I expect that we should have some pretty diverse reccomendations.

Here's the one I have



This is a general thread on these piano trios, so it is in no way restricted to the aforementioned recording.  :)

MishaK

#24
May 07, 2007, 01:44:09 PM
I have not heard the Beaux Arts. The Trio No.1 with Stern/Casals/Hess is a gem, despite the dated sound.

Steve

#25
May 07, 2007, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: O Mensch on May 07, 2007, 01:44:09 PM
I have not heard the Beaux Arts. The Trio No.1 with Stern/Casals/Hess is a gem, despite the dated sound.

I'll need to look into it, then.  :)

BorisG

#26
May 07, 2007, 01:52:44 PM
Some of Brahms' best chamber.

Over many years I have only had two recordings of 1 & 2. I never liked 3.



orbital

#27
May 07, 2007, 02:04:00 PM Last Edit: May 07, 2007, 02:06:17 PM by orbital
The first two here:


And the third coupled with Schubert's 2nd trio here:


I can not think of three musicians better suited to play these masterpieces.

edit-Actually I'was goind to add these CD's to George's topic "Great Performances that sound great", but then forgot  :D

Steve

#28
May 07, 2007, 03:51:08 PM
How's this one?

dirkronk

#29
May 07, 2007, 07:24:15 PM
I don't know these pieces too well, with a couple of exceptions. On vinyl, I've always enjoyed the 1 and 3 by Katchen/Suk/Starker on Decca/London so much that I simply haven't gone looking for many other options, though I also keep the #3 by the Suk Trio (Panenka/Suk/Chuchro) on Supraphon.

I do keep some odds and ends in the historic vinyl cabinet, including all three trios by Istomin/Menuhin/Casals live at the Prades Festival (can't comment on those, though, since it's been years since I heard them). I've dragged that box set out and will listen over the coming days. I'll also keep my eye on this thread for likely alternatives to check out.
;D

Dirk

samtrb

#30
May 07, 2007, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: BorisG on May 07, 2007, 01:52:44 PM
Some of Brahms' best chamber.

Over many years I have only had two recordings of 1 & 2. I never liked 3.


The second part of this CD on Apex contains n. 3 and the op. posth. which is difficult to find

Dancing Divertimentian

#31
May 07, 2007, 07:35:55 PM
Two I really enjoy:






Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Steve

#32
May 07, 2007, 07:41:06 PM
Ah, plenty to choose from.  :)

Josquin des Prez

#33
May 08, 2007, 09:09:59 AM
The Beaux is my benchmark so far. It's not perfect, but i have yet to find anything that tops it. That goes for the majority of my Brahms recordings, sadly...

Que

#34
May 08, 2007, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 08, 2007, 09:09:59 AM
The Beaux is my benchmark so far. It's not perfect, but i have yet to find anything that tops it. That goes for the majority of my Brahms recordings, sadly...

Do the BAT surpass IYO the recordings by Suk/Katchen/Starker, Florestan Trio or the Trio Wanderer?

Q

Josquin des Prez

#35
May 08, 2007, 09:47:22 AM Last Edit: May 08, 2007, 09:49:15 AM by Josquin des Prez
Quote from: Que on May 08, 2007, 09:13:16 AM
Do the BAT surpass IYO the recordings by Suk/Katchen/Starker, Florestan Trio or the Trio Wanderer?

Q

I think the Suk/Katchen/Starker is at least equal to BAT, sometimes better in places, sometimes worst. I'm still undecided if i like one over the other.

Florestan i like less. A bit too romantic for my tastes. It's like they are trying to make Brahms sound like Faure. It's a very good set, but it's not as impressive as their Beethoven, which i thought was outstanding.

Mind you though, i have reservations with all three of them, but maybe Brahms is simply too much for any one ensemble to perform at perfection. It always seems like something is amiss.

Haven't heard the Wanderer, and at that price i don't intend to. 40$ for a 2 disc set is ridiculous. I'll wait until some store comes up with a special offer...

val

#36
May 09, 2007, 03:45:03 AM
My favorite versions were Suk/Katchen/Starker and Stern/Istomin/Rose, until I listened to the recent version of the Trio Wanderer. Regarding the opus 8 and 87 it is a sublime version, the best I ever heard. In the dramatic Trio opus 101 the version of the Trio Stern is perhaps superior, but the set of the Wanderer is one of the greatest recordings of chamber music in the last years. It includes a very good version of the first piano Quartet.

Josquin des Prez

#37
May 09, 2007, 06:44:28 AM
Quote from: val on May 09, 2007, 03:45:03 AM
My favorite versions were Suk/Katchen/Starker and Stern/Istomin/Rose, until I listened to the recent version of the Trio Wanderer. Regarding the opus 8 and 87 it is a sublime version, the best I ever heard. In the dramatic Trio opus 101 the version of the Trio Stern is perhaps superior, but the set of the Wanderer is one of the greatest recordings of chamber music in the last years. It includes a very good version of the first piano Quartet.

Great, now you are forcing me to check the set.

ChamberNut

#38
December 06, 2007, 01:47:51 PM
I absolutely love Brahms!  One of my favorite composers.

I have his String Quartets, Quintets and Sextets with Piano Quintet with Amadeus Quartet on DG label.

His piano trios, I have Beaux Arts Trio

And Piano Quartets - Ax, Rose, Stern and Yo Yo Ma!  Fantastic!

My personal opinion is there he may have been the best composer to have used "restraint" in his compositions.  What I mean is, he never seems to overdo it or go "over-the-top".  Just an opinion. 

Anyways, Brahms has fantastic chamber music!

Don

#39
December 06, 2007, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: val on May 03, 2007, 01:05:02 AM

Regarding the piano trios it is a pity that no one seems to care about the recent version of the Trio Wanderer. They are really extraordinary.

I care and totally agree about their Brahms set.  The group is also wonderful in the Mendelssohn and Saint-Saens Piano Trios.
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