Whose music do you prefer: Handel's or Vivaldi's?

Started by Mark, March 14, 2008, 04:38:46 AM

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Given the choice, whose music would you rather hear?

Handel's
30 (47.6%)
Vivaldi's
28 (44.4%)
Neither
5 (7.9%)

Total Members Voted: 39



Wanderer



Wanderer

Quote from: Gustav on March 17, 2008, 08:42:48 AM
I did  >:D

I'm sure it won't be too long till we see you banned from these premises, probably under pretext of a totally different yet similarly shameful reason.  :-*

Mark

So, after climbing in tandem in popularity here, these two composers are now separated by a gap - with Handel taking the lead. Is now a good time to suggest that, in the Holy Trinity of Baroque composers, the order is Bach, Handel, Vivaldi?

Ephemerid

Quote from: Mark on March 17, 2008, 11:31:31 AM
Is now a good time to suggest that, in the Holy Trinity of Baroque composers, the order is Bach, Handel, Vivaldi?
That sound about right to me.  0:)

Mark

Quote from: just josh on March 17, 2008, 11:33:19 AM
That sound about right to me.  0:)

But I'm sure some will argue for Telemann's inclusion, given his influence and popularity in his own day. Then again, that's like suggesting Spohr should replace Beethoven in the Holy Classical Trinity of Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn.

Mozart

The problem with those trios is that poor Johannes is left all alone.

Haffner

Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on March 17, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
The problem with those trios is that poor Johannes is left all alone.


You could say Romantic: Wagner, Brahms, Mahler...Tchaikovsky, Schumann, Grieg...there's so many!

Mark

Quote from: Haffner on March 17, 2008, 01:25:44 PM

You could say Romantic: Wagner, Brahms, Mahler...Tchaikovsky, Schumann, Grieg...there's so many!

Andy, I think Romantic's Holy Trinity would probably look like this: Schubert, Berlioz, Wagner. That's taken chronologically, mind.

Haffner

Quote from: Mark on March 17, 2008, 01:29:21 PM
Andy, I think Romantic's Holy Trinity would probably look like this: Schubert, Berlioz, Wagner. That's taken chronologically, mind.




That definitely has my vote as a good 'un, Mark!

Mark

Quote from: Haffner on March 17, 2008, 01:30:33 PM



That definitely has my vote as a good 'un, Mark!

I suppose that Brahms really ought to replace Berlioz, but the Frenchman was a huge influence back then (and still is, apparently), and certainly a Romantic through and through.

c#minor

agreed that Brahms should replace Berlioz, though i do love Berlioz. But in this mix i assume your are counting Beethoven in the classical period? at least i would hope.

But back to the time of the "enlightenment" i picked the Red Priest for 2 reasons. 1. He wrote so many concertos for so many different instruments, Vivaldi = the recorders best friend. 2. Handel has never done anything for me, can someone give me some suggestions aside for the Messiah, which i can't stand. I know, i know let the arrows begin to fly, i hate the Messiah.

Dancing Divertimentian

#54
Quote from: Mark on March 17, 2008, 11:31:31 AM
So, after climbing in tandem in popularity here, these two composers are now separated by a gap - with Handel taking the lead. Is now a good time to suggest that, in the Holy Trinity of Baroque composers, the order is Bach, Handel, Vivaldi?

I would definitely disagree with the three spot. Rameau would get my vote. Easily. And I might even bump Vivaldi clear to sixth after two other overlooked baroque Frenchmen: Lully and Charpentier. Like Handel, this French trio is more opera/stage centered and have seen their (mainstream) stock rise only in the wake of HIP with it's fresh approach to baroque opera.

Put together their output perhaps struggles to reach Vivaldi's lofty heights but the quality and originality of what's available - which isn't negligible, by any stretch - more than fills the void.

Probably a minority opinion but it's how I'd vote given the option...



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Josquin des Prez

#55
Quote from: Mark on March 17, 2008, 11:31:31 AM
Is now a good time to suggest that, in the Holy Trinity of Baroque composers, the order is Bach, Handel, Vivaldi?

Nope. After Bach and Handel, Scarlatti (Domenico), Rameau, Monteverdi, Schutz, Zelenka must all come before Vivaldi. 

DavidW

I generally prefer the Italians in the baroque era, BUT I love Handel and even though I like Vivaldi, he never wrote Alexander's Feast now did he? :-X

Mozart


lukeottevanger

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 17, 2008, 05:00:17 PM
Nope. After Bach and Handel, Scarlatti (Domenico), Rameau, Monteverdi, Schutz, Zelenka must all come before Vivaldi. 


I think I'd agree with this, especially the first three (though Monteverdi seems to be a different case, historically, perhaps); I don't know much Zelenka so can't really comment. And how about Couperin? Where do we fit him and his spectacular keyboard imagination in? I'd love to put Purcell in - at his best (Fantasias  :o :o 8) 8) )he is one of the very finest composers of any era, certainly leagues above Vivaldi (IMO  ;D ), but unfortunately there isn't enough of him to really justify that.

The new erato

Quote from: Mark on March 17, 2008, 11:31:31 AM
So, after climbing in tandem in popularity here, these two composers are now separated by a gap - with Handel taking the lead. Is now a good time to suggest that, in the Holy Trinity of Baroque composers, the order is Bach, Handel, Vivaldi?
If you limit yourself to the LATE Baroque; there's a large batch of early baroque composers scrambling to get into this list.