Siegfried's Funeral Music

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Anne

On an earlier BB the thread asked what music the parcipitants would liked played at their own funeral.  90% of the replies were Siegfried's funeral procession.

marvinbrown

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 16, 2008, 03:45:27 PM
What Jezetha said.

My pun had to do with the fact that Zug not only means procession, but also train (and more than a dozen other things as well. They don't have much imagination or inventiveness when it comes to naming things, the Germans  ;DTrauer in this case is an adjective meaning funereal. So Trauerzug means funeral procession.

Sarge


  Lis, Sarge and Jezetha thanks for the clarification.  Its all settled then and in line with Anne's post above I too would like the Siegfried funeral procession to be played at my funeral.  Although I would insist on it being renamed  Marvin's funeral procession  :o for just that one day with a footnote indicating Wagner's posthumous approval of its use and renaming accordingly. 

  marvin   

Rod Corkin

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Quote from: vandermolen on March 16, 2008, 07:25:48 AM
Embarrassed to state that my knowledge of this music comes from the final sequences of the movie "Excaliber". It works very well in that context, although Wagner would probably be turning in his grave.

I think the producers of Excalibur made better use of it that Wagner.

"The King without a sword.. The land without a King!"
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Haffner

Quote from: Rod Corkin on March 18, 2008, 06:26:03 AM
I think the producers of Excalibur made better use of it that Wagner.




Right!


max

Quote from: Rod Corkin on March 18, 2008, 06:26:03 AM
I think the producers of Excalibur made better use of it that Wagner.

"The King without a sword.. The land without a King!"

We haven't yet seen a super spectacular film version of the Ring to know that for sure.

We have always had the music and the drama obviously, we were given that, but no actual presentation to equal it which relies on our ability and desire to recreate which also depends on how much we're willing to spend. (I think Wall Street should have financed a colossal Ring production instead of subprimes and CDO's etc.). Anyways that 'plastic' quality has mostly been dismal vis-a-vis the other two.

The Ring in it's ideal would be a triumvirate of equal parts. That not being the case and unlikely to be, we have only Wagner's input to augment our own Virtual Reality sense of the work and for me that  means NO prosceniums in sight.

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: max on March 21, 2008, 07:21:48 PM
The Ring in it's ideal would be a triumvirate of equal parts. That not being the case and unlikely to be, we have only Wagner's input to augment our own Virtual Reality sense of the work and for me that  means NO prosceniums in sight.

Well, this matches Wagner's own exasperated quip, at the end of his life, quite closely, which goes something like 'Now that I've invented the invisible orchestra, I'd like to invent the invisible theatre'.  I, for one, always listen to Wagner, and yet have to watch a DVD...
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

max

Quote from: Jezetha on March 21, 2008, 11:55:28 PM
I, for one, always listen to Wagner, and yet have to watch a DVD...

I feel the same but in the meantime I wouldn't object to this at least from what's shown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9Mh9XZZ6c&mode=related&search=

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: max on March 22, 2008, 11:03:34 PM
I feel the same but in the meantime I wouldn't object to this at least from what's shown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9Mh9XZZ6c&mode=related&search=

Ah, my main man, Karajan.

I've long thought the only way to fully realize Wagner's Ring concept is on film. Perhaps someday someone will do it.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Haffner

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 23, 2008, 03:03:29 PM
Ah, my main man, Karajan.

I've long thought the only way to fully realize Wagner's Ring concept is on film. Perhaps someday someone will do it.

Sarge


You know, I'm really hot on the idea of a well-animated, well-produced, Ring Des Nibelungen. And Tristan... and Parsifal...and

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Haffner on March 23, 2008, 03:20:13 PM

You know, I'm really hot on the idea of a well-animated, well-produced, Ring Des Nibelungen.

The Ring's already been done...by Looney Tunes. Bugs and Elmer Fudd in the lead roles  ;D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Haffner

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 23, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
The Ring's already been done...by Looney Tunes. Bugs and Elmer Fudd in the lead roles  ;D

Sarge



"Kiww Da WAB-bit!"

J.Z. Herrenberg

#32
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 23, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
The Ring's already been done...by Looney Tunes. Bugs and Elmer Fudd in the lead roles  ;D

Hagen (grasping at ring, dragged down by the Rhinemaidens): "Tha tha that's all, folks!"
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Haffner on March 23, 2008, 03:47:00 PM


"Kiww Da WAB-bit!"
Quote from: Jezetha on March 23, 2008, 03:47:41 PM
Hagen (grasping at ring, dragged down by the Rhinemaidens): "Tha tha that's all, folks!"


;D :D ;D
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"