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Saul


Sergeant Rock

the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Kullervo

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 18, 2008, 03:42:00 PM
Mrs. Rock

Sarge, that is a really gorgeous photo.

Didn't Michel or somebody else already make this thread? Most of the responses photos of half-naked chicks, IIRC.  ::)

BorisG


Jupiter

Sophia really was beautiful, wasn't she?

lukeottevanger

Beauty is truth, and truth beauty etc. etc.

And one composer who would subscribe to that 100% - a composer who thought the distinction between 'beautiful' and 'ugly' was nonsensical - was Janacek:



Beautiful, yes?

Saul

How childish to respond with photos of beautiful women.

Did I ask, which lady is beautiful?

But some people think only along these terms...

Ephemerid

Quote from: Saul on March 18, 2008, 03:36:27 PM
What is Beauty?



POETRY

And it was at that age... poetry arrived
in search of me.  I don't know, I don't know where
it came from, from winter or a river
I don't know how or when,
no, they weren't voices, they were not
words, nor silence,
but from a street it called me,
from the branches of the night,
abruptly from all the others,
among raging fires
or returning alone,
there it was, without a face,
and it touched me.

I didn't know what to say, my mouth
had no way
with names,
my eyes were blind,
my soul,
fever or forgotten wings,
and I made my own way,
deciphering
that fire,
and I wrote the first faint line,
faint, without substance, pure
nonsense,
pure wisdom
of one who knows nothing,
and suddenly I saw
the heavens
unfastened
and open,
planets,
palpitating plantations,
the darkness perforated,
riddled
with arrows, fire and flowers,
the overpowering night, the universe.

And I, tiny being,
drunk with the great starry void,
likeness, image of
mystery,
felt myself a pure part
of the abyss,
I wheeled with the stars.
My heart broke loose with the wind.

                               ~ Pablo Neruda (1904-1973)
                                  translated by Alastair Reid

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Saul on March 18, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
How childish to respond with photos of beautiful women.

Did I ask, which lady is beautiful?

But some people think only along these terms...

There are no religions, no revelations; there are women.
            Voznesensky "Antiworlds"


Saul, we understand you have this warped, third-world, conservative view that women should be ugly, kept covered and hidden away in the nursery and kitchen, but some of us here are actually normal and find the female of our species to be the very definition of beauty...not just beauty, but the definition of all that's good, wonderful and worth living for in this world.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Norbeone

#9
Quote from: Saul on March 18, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
But some people think only along these terms...

Sorry, Saul, most of us can't help it.

Though I do think the pictures posted are pretty good representations.   ???

EDIT - Sarge said exactly what I tried to convey. Thanks!   ;D


Haffner

Ms. Haffner

lukeottevanger

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 18, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
There are no religions, no revelations; there are women.
            Voznesensky "Antiworlds"


Saul, we understand you have this warped, third-world, conservative view that women should be ugly, kept covered and hidden away in the nursery and kitchen, but some of us here are actually normal and find the female of our species to be the very definition of beauty...not just beauty, but the definition of all that's good, wonderful and worth living for in this world.

Sarge



Listen to what Sarge says, OK?

Josquin des Prez

#13
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 18, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
but some of us here are actually normal

Being a sycophant to women isn't exactly normal either. Our culture is substituting one extreme for the other.

That said, i'd wager that women's beauty is behind the basic inspiration for all art, along side with nature. Indeed, with so many women leaning towards the masculine or their often vulgar promiscuity and the separation from nature caused by technological urbanization it should be no wonder why art is in such an horrid state today.

Saul

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 18, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
There are no religions, no revelations; there are women.
            Voznesensky "Antiworlds"


Saul, we understand you have this warped, third-world, conservative view that women should be ugly, kept covered and hidden away in the nursery and kitchen, but some of us here are actually normal and find the female of our species to be the very definition of beauty...not just beauty, but the definition of all that's good, wonderful and worth living for in this world.

Sarge

No, its you that has this view, thinking that women are men's "Play thing" that was created just so men have "fun".
The ancient kings used to think this way, and you are very similar to them in this sense.



Saul

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 18, 2008, 04:33:41 PM
Being a sycophant to women isn't exactly normal either. Our culture is substituting one extreme for the other.

That said, i'd wager that women's beauty is behind the basic inspiration for all art, along side with nature. Indeed, with so many women leaning towards the masculine or their often vulgar promiscuity and the separation from nature caused by technological urbanization it should be no wonder why art is in such an horrid state today.

I think that everyone knows and agrees that women are beautiful but they are not the definition of beauty.


Mark

Quote from: Saul on March 18, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
How childish to respond with photos of beautiful women.

If being with a woman like this makes me a child ...



... then pass the candy. ;)

Haffner

Quote from: Mark on March 18, 2008, 04:41:54 PM
If being with a woman like this makes me a child ...



... then pass the candy. ;)



YOW!

Mark

I know, I know, Andy. If you want her fan mail address it's ... ;D

And Saul, yes, you're right that many men treat women as playthings. But not all men. Please don't tar us all with the same brush. And also, don't ask such an open-ended question in your OP if you're not prepared to consider all the responses. You didn't ask, 'What's the definition of beauty?' You asked only, 'What is beauty?' That, my friend, will always be in the eye of the beholder. Please try to remember that - maybe then you'd get treated with a bit more respct around here.

Saul

#19
Quote from: Mark on March 18, 2008, 04:41:54 PM
If being with a woman like this makes me a child ...

... then pass the candy. ;)

You really think its mature to answer this question with a photo of a woman?

I asked to describe with words what beauty means... kinda more of a philosophical discussion...

But some people think only about physical things when they hear the word beauty, even though beauty itself doesn't have to be physical per say. Did you ever get a smile from your daughter? wasn't the feeling generated from the smile , or the event itself , a beautiful thing?

Must your daughter be a beauty queen so her smiling be considered as beautiful?

Here is a beautiful explanation of what beauty means according to Jews:

http://www.ou.org/publications/ja/5758/spring98/beauty.htm