Started by Greta, May 01, 2007, 08:06:38 PM
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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2007, 07:00:26 AMThat is odd. Have you heard any explanation why he'd be so slow in Philly and Paris, but so fast in Vienna?
Quote from: Drasko on May 05, 2007, 07:04:44 AMHe was odd.
Quote from: edward on May 05, 2007, 07:13:56 AMA random question which may well fit nicely here: Has anyone heard Zender's Mahler 7? I've a feeling he'd do a really job with this piece (composer's perspective and all).
Quote from: Steve on May 05, 2007, 08:32:03 AMIts a marvelous 7th. Ideal tempi transitions, good sound, and just the right amount of energy. Easy rec.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 05, 2007, 06:21:41 AMI added Maazel, Sinopoli, Neumann, Barbirolli, Levine and noted the Scherchen I have is with the ORTF (this is the infamous Fifth with the major cut in the Scherzo):Walter/NYPO: 7:43Barshai/JDP: 8:17Rattle/CBSO: 9:32Neumann/Gewand Leipzig: 9:40Solti/CSO/1990: 9:42Kubelik/BRSO: 9:44Barenboim/CSO: 9:45Solti/CSO 1970: 9:51Barbirolli/New Philh: 9:52Kletzki/PO: 9:57Bertini/Cologne: 10:06 Chailly/RCO: 10:16Sinopoli/Philh: 10:28Maazel/Vienna: 10:33Haitink/RCO: 10:37Mehta/NYP 10:50 Levi/Atlanta: 11:06Bernstein/Vienna: 11:13 Karajan/Berlin: 11:53 Abbado/CSO: 11:55Levine/Philadelphia: 12:03Eschenbach/Houston: 12:19Scherchen/ORTF: 13:07Scherchen/Philadelphia: 15:12
Quote from: from the new world on May 05, 2007, 11:13:20 AMI would just have to add two further recordings, Haitink/BPO: 13:55, and Cobra/ Europa Philharmonia: 16:48 (adagietto only)
Quote from: Marc on May 05, 2007, 03:34:50 AMYou certainly do have a point there. Maybe I was a bit too enthousiastic, and therefore too hasty, with my 'interpretation'....Should I post this? Ich leb' allein in meinem Himmel,In meinem Lieben, in meinem Lied!Beautiful verses!Beautiful music!
QuoteI would just have to add two further recordings, Haitink/BPO: 13:55, and Cobra/ Europa Philharmonia: 16:48 (adagietto only)
Quote from: Greta on May 05, 2007, 03:50:49 PMBig difference between the two Haitinks, interesting. Does anyone have Lenny's times besides with Vienna?
Quote from: Greta on May 05, 2007, 03:56:40 AMI really like where he puts the 3rd, you're waiting and expecting it right on the big major chord after the gong, but he waits until after the wandering violin melody and BAM, puts it on that big minor chord crash. Fantastic.
Quote from: sperlsco on May 08, 2007, 09:31:55 AMI also whole-heartedly agree with your accolades for the Eschenbach M5. I live in Houston but am ashamed that I missed out on the Eschenbach years (although we are very fortunate to have Hans Graf these days). His M6 with Philly is a big favorite of mine.
Quote from: sperlsco on May 08, 2007, 09:31:55 AMIt's interesting reading all of Sarge's comments....I prefer these all be played more swiftly...M4-4
Quote from: O Mensch on May 08, 2007, 08:33:58 AMFrankly, I don't think overall tempo matters much. If you compare the three major Mahler disciples who performed his music in his presence or under his tutelage - i.e. Mengelberg, Walter, Klemperer - you realize that even among these firsthand witnesses there is no consensus at all. They differ so widely in their approach to the music that you can't really speak of a single "correct" approach that Mahler would have "approved" of.
Quote from: Ring_of_fire on May 08, 2007, 03:14:06 PMForgive me if this is the wrong place to ask.But next semester, I am playing Mahler 4 in school, so I was wondering what good recordings of it I should look for. Thanks
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 08, 2007, 03:16:20 PMDuring Mahler's lifetime the tempos were pretty consistent (performances were rare anyway).
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 08, 2007, 03:16:20 PM(Most conductors ignore Beethoven's tempo indications; they must think he was wrong!). I think the music has slowed down because it sounds better that way. That's the way I prefer to hear it anyway (generally speaking; there are exceptions).
Quote from: O Mensch on May 08, 2007, 03:31:35 PMSays who?
Quote from: O Mensch on May 08, 2007, 03:31:35 PMWhat is appropriate with any given band in any given acoustic is relative.
QuoteI welcome the variety.
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