Mahler Mania, Rebooted

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Renfield

Quote from: DavidRoss on May 24, 2009, 06:31:05 AM
If you are not already familiar with it, Renfield, you might be interested in Das Klagende Lied, written when he was a student in Vienna.

I am indeed very interested. Despite my admiration (bordering on adulation) for Mahler, I have so far avoided straying from his complete symphonic works to any consistent extent, with the exception of the Rückert and Kindertotenlieder.

But it might just be the time for me to hear Das Klagende Lied, at the very least... Thanks for the nudge. :)

jlaurson

Quote from: Renfield on May 24, 2009, 12:33:38 PM
I am indeed very interested. Despite my admiration (bordering on adulation) for Mahler, I have so far avoided straying from his complete symphonic works to any consistent extent, with the exception of the Rückert and Kindertotenlieder.

But it might just be the time for me to hear Das Klagende Lied, at the very least... Thanks for the nudge. :)

May I -- out of pure and honest curiosity [no judgmental overtones intended, at all... though I admit to being a tad perplexed] -- ask why?

knight66

Eugene, You asked me about a Mahler 9 by Judd.

Here is a link, though my copy was issued under the Regis label.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mahler-Symphony-9-Gustav/dp/B00004S2WE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1243201156&sr=1-2

It is a two disc set, the 9th with the Mahler Youth Orchestra and the Adagio from the 10th played by the European Community Youth Orch; Judd conducts both. The 9th is a surprisingly good version. There is not the gut wrenching of Barbirolli in the first movement, much more a serenity and turbulence, but not that angst I pick up from Barbirolli or Maderna, but there is plenty of contrast in there and excellent playing.

Mike
DavidW: Yeah Mike doesn't get angry, he gets even.
I wasted time: and time wasted me.

Wilhelm Richard

Quote from: Renfield on May 24, 2009, 12:33:38 PM
But it might just be the time for me to hear Das Klagende Lied, at the very least... Thanks for the nudge. :)

You may be in for a surprise.  ;)

Brünnhilde forever

Mailman brought me the box set of the special Mahler edition Kerstmatinees, Bernard Haitink conducting the Koninklijk Concertgebouworkest, and I'll be in Mahler Emporium for a pleasant long time!

Today I watched the first disc, the 1st Symphony recorded in December 1977. It wasn't too long ago when I watched Haitink conduct the same symphony in 1994 with the Berlin Philharmonie, seventeen years apart, there definitely is a difference. It seemed to be much more intense, slower, with emphasis on all the beautiful introspective passages causing me to hold my breath, so as not to disturb the intrinsic structure.

I recall a rehearsal with Claudio Abbado and the Berliners, the hornists played in the last movement standing with their instruments raised, - as Mahler asked his players, - but Abbado told them while he conducts they may remain seated. Not so Haitink: They stood, everyone of them! Glorious music-making!

jlaurson

Quote from: Brünnhilde forever on May 27, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
Mailman brought me the box set of the special Mahler edition Kerstmatinees.

Congrats. It's a lovely, very lovely (in Haitink-typical unspectacular manner). set.

Not something to rock your world, but something to cherish.

bhodges

Quote from: Brünnhilde forever on May 27, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
Mailman brought me the box set of the special Mahler edition Kerstmatinees, Bernard Haitink conducting the Koninklijk Concertgebouworkest, and I'll be in Mahler Emporium for a pleasant long time!

Today I watched the first disc, the 1st Symphony recorded in December 1977. It wasn't too long ago when I watched Haitink conduct the same symphony in 1994 with the Berlin Philharmonie, seventeen years apart, there definitely is a difference. It seemed to be much more intense, slower, with emphasis on all the beautiful introspective passages causing me to hold my breath, so as not to disturb the intrinsic structure.

I recall a rehearsal with Claudio Abbado and the Berliners, the hornists played in the last movement standing with their instruments raised, - as Mahler asked his players, - but Abbado told them while he conducts they may remain seated. Not so Haitink: They stood, everyone of them! Glorious music-making!

Lis, I'm envious.  I have the CD set, which I love, but I'd bet seeing them would be even more satisfying.  Where did you get it?  (My apologies if you've mentioned it already.) 

--Bruce

Brünnhilde forever

No, Luv, I did not mention the source of this treasure before, it was one of our Dutch friends and it should be found here. You look, I look, and we see what we come up with. The seller is a company in Amsterdam - I think! - very friendly when I contacted him by email, and even though he was out of that set, he looked around and found a small supply some place else and sent me one, after I paid him by PayPal.

On disc 1 I watched yesterday, together with the Mahler No. 1, is also Lieder eines Fahrenden Gesellen with Benjamin Luxon. Wellllll, I have heard better Gesellen, but that's not Haitink's fault!  :-[

Brünnhilde forever

Now that was easy, Bruce!  ;D
Thanks to the efficiency of my Outlook Express, who had automatically added the Dutch company's email to my addressbook, here it is:

Bergmann, Muziekhandel
E-mail Address(es):
  cd@bergmann.nl


bhodges

Quote from: Brünnhilde forever on May 28, 2009, 09:36:12 AM
Now that was easy, Bruce!  ;D
Thanks to the efficiency of my Outlook Express, who had automatically added the Dutch company's email to my addressbook, here it is:

Bergmann, Muziekhandel
E-mail Address(es):
  cd@bergmann.nl

Ah, dank u wel, Lis!   :D

--Bruce

Brünnhilde forever

Quote from: jlaurson on May 28, 2009, 12:06:49 AM

Not something to rock your world, but something to cherish.

Then please, Jens, who would rock my world? Eh em, no conductors departed the world, RIP. Tell me about live ones, the conductors and orchestras rocking your world when conducting Mahler?  ???

I watched Mahler's 3rd yesterday. What a production! Audience packed like sardines; excellent camera work, nice touch with the trumpeter standing in the hallway for his solos effectively using the super acoustic, and Haitink much more agitated in 1983 than in recent performances. That one is a keeper and cherished very, very much!  ;)

jlaurson

Quote from: Brünnhilde forever on May 29, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
Then please, Jens, who would rock my world? Eh em, no conductors departed the world, RIP. Tell me about live ones, the conductors and orchestras rocking your world when conducting Mahler?  ???

I watched Mahler's 3rd yesterday. What a production! Audience packed like sardines; excellent camera work, nice touch with the trumpeter standing in the hallway for his solos effectively using the super acoustic, and Haitink much more agitated in 1983 than in recent performances. That one is a keeper and cherished very, very much!  ;)

Are we talking live?

Mahler that recently grabbed me by my.... [no, calm down now: I meant] LAPELS, was conducted by Jurowski. (http://www.weta.org/fmblog/?p=539)

Stylistically Ivan Fischer is probably closer to Haitink than he is to being a gritty lapel-grabber, but his Mahler can have the same effect.

In any case, it wasn't meant disparagingly in any way shape or form toward Haitink. He'd still be among the first to whose Mahler concerts I'd run. (Ditto MTT, Chailly!!, probably Bychkov...
His recent 4th with the RCO (Haitink's, that is) was stupendous and went straight to the top of my (extensive, more than I should like to admit) list.

My radio station will probably make one of this year's months "Mahler Month" (which is more gutsy for a public classical radio station than it would seem to us Mahler-lovers), so I'll have a chance to finally publish my Mahler-recording articles that I've been writing, amending, and hording for the last four years. The first 3rd of just the introduction has already made it unto the website.) Some more here: http://www.weta.org/fmblog/?p=168, some here.

More than you bargained for?  ;D

Brünnhilde forever

Quote from: jlaurson on May 29, 2009, 11:01:22 AM
l=http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2006/08/mahler-reviews-on-ionarts.html]here[/url].

More than you bargained for?  ;D

Definitely not! I always look forward to your posts, the more the merrier; especially this one because you mentioned one of my favourite, young, vibrant and intelligent conductors: Vladimir Jurowski. It was a few years ago, 2? 3? when I was watching a DVD of Die Fledermaus, a Glyndebourne production, and onto the podium stepped  this young, stunningly good looking male specimen - yes, grabbing me by  ::)  ::)  ::) - , fearing his looks being the only worthwhile attribute. Surprise! This hunk is an awesome conductor! I think it was his first appearance at Glyndebourne and from there on he just kept on going up and up and up. I didn't know he did a Mahler! Thank you for the link!  :-*

I was aware you are connected to WETA, for some reason I never tried to add this NPR station to my Favourites. Wonder if they are one of the rare NPR stations broadcasting the Saturday Met operas. Shall check on that, because my NWPR refuses to broadcast anything on a Saturday morning except that guy from Lake Woebegone - to be repeated the following Sunday afternoon. ::)

Have you listened to the Gergiev Mahler No. 8? And comment?

Lis


DavidRoss

Lis, for Met opera broadcasts tune to KXPR, Captal Public Radio in Sacramento. http://www.capradio.org/programs/classicalmusic/
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Brünnhilde forever

Quote from: jlaurson on May 29, 2009, 11:01:22 AM
Are we talking live?


Sorry, forgot: No, we are not talking live. I have to drive three hours and over two mountain passes to get to Seattle, the nearest chance for experiencing anything, opera and concert, LIVE  :'(

That's why I eliminated the guest room and now have a nice music room!   ;)

Brünnhilde forever

Quote from: DavidRoss on May 29, 2009, 06:31:07 PM
Lis, for Met opera broadcasts tune to KXPR, Captal Public Radio in Sacramento. http://www.capradio.org/programs/classicalmusic/

Thank you, Luv! It's now listed on my Favourites:-*

DavidRoss

Quote from: Brünnhilde forever on May 29, 2009, 06:36:49 PM
Thank you, Luv! It's now listed on my Favourites:-*
Friday nights are also given over to opera broadcasts, from recordings.  Tonight is some kind of listener favorite call-in show, but usually Sean plays a complete opera recording.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

jlaurson

Quote from: DavidRoss on May 29, 2009, 06:31:07 PM
Lis, for Met opera broadcasts tune to KXPR, Captal Public Radio in Sacramento. http://www.capradio.org/programs/classicalmusic/

No, no no. Listen to WETA for your MET broadcasts!  ;D

WETA is also working on a dedicated Opera/Voice internet channel which might be of interest to you, once it is up. (This was a big success with listeners when the station that broadcast classical in DC before WETA re-assumed its classical responsibilities, but as everything else in life, it has to be financed, first... so it took and will take a while to get back up and running.)

I've heard most of the Mahler with Gergiev on CD, but not the 8th. So far I've liked absolutely nothing in that series... Disappointing, as I had particularly high hopes of a ravishing 6th, unwashed and gritty... and then it was another sight-reading effort of the LSO. Argh. Maddening orchestra. And maddeningly inconsistent conductor.

DavidRoss

Quote from: jlaurson on May 29, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
I've heard most of the Mahler with Gergiev on CD, but not the 8th. So far I've liked absolutely nothing in that series...
Of course it's a case of contempt prior to investigation, but I've not heard any of Gergiev's Mahler, thinking the two go together like lobsters and motor oil.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Brünnhilde forever

I shouldn't, but I say it anyhow: Gergiev and Mahler? Gergiev and cowbells, cuckoos, sunrise and alpine peaks have never met and never will!