Mahler Mania, Rebooted

madaboutmahler · April 05, 2012, 03:15:18 AM

Quote from: jlaurson on April 04, 2012, 03:11:27 PM
M3 for me, later this month. With Fischer, Ivan.

Old news to me, the work, and usually disappointing... but the first time my better half will hear it. Not just live, but probably ever. I envy her.

Well, it sounds like a great performance, Jens! I saw Fischer in M1 last summer at the BBC Proms which was a thrilling concert. Let us know what it's like!

jlaurson · April 05, 2012, 04:02:35 AM

Quote from: madaboutmahler on April 05, 2012, 03:15:18 AM
Well, it sounds like a great performance, Jens! I saw Fischer in M1 last summer at the BBC Proms which was a thrilling concert. Let us know what it's like!

Dutifully, I will.

kishnevi · April 05, 2012, 08:14:51 AM

Quote from: Brian on April 04, 2012, 02:56:25 PM
Oh man. Can I make it to Miami in November? I'll put it in the calendar and weigh the decision around July/Aug. ... right now I'm afraid the plane tickets would take up about 15% of my life savings.

http://www.clevelandorchestra.com/news-and-media/news-releases/2012/Mar-23-Miami.aspx

Friday, November 16, 2012 at 8 p.m.
Saturday, November 17, 2012 at 8 p.m.

Knight Concert Hall, Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts
Franz Welser-Möst, conductor
Bernarda Fink, mezzo-soprano
University of Miami Frost Symphonic Women's Chorus
Karen Kennedy, director
Miami Children's Chorus
Timothy A. Sharp, music director

MAHLER Symphony No. 3

I have assumed that they'll be doing the same works in Cleveland around that time, but digging through their website I couldn't find any mention of their plans for the 2012/3 season in Cleveland.

Actually, looking over the listing, there's at least one thing on each concert that I've never heard live and would be interested in hearing live--Beethoven 9 (Gurn, are you listening?), Beethoven VC and PC4, Shostakovich 10. (Symphonie Fantastique--meh.) I may yet spring for the full bill....

Sergeant Rock · April 05, 2012, 11:07:18 AM

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on April 05, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
MAHLER Symphony No. 3[/i]

I have assumed that they'll be doing the same works in Cleveland around that time, but digging through their website I couldn't find any mention of their plans for the 2012/3 season in Cleveland.

It's too early for them to release next season's schedule. But I hope they do perform it in Cleveland too. I usually go back to Ohio in the Fall. A Mahler 3, in Cleveland, in October or early November, would be an added incentive to make the trip. I heard W-M conduct the Fifth a few years ago. Marvelous performance, with an unusually slow first movement that worked really well and flawless orchestral execution that reminded me of the Szell years.

Sarge

madaboutmahler · April 07, 2012, 11:56:04 AM

If anyone is interested in taking part in the Blind Comparison for Mahler 6 that I have started, please take a look and register on the thread which is linked below.

Should be great fun!!!!

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,20315.msg618303/topicseen.html#msg618303

sheffmark · April 09, 2012, 11:12:17 AM

Glad i found this thread!
Thanks to all of you who directed me to it!
There's a lot to read so i'll catch you later!!

Karl Henning · April 09, 2012, 11:20:24 AM

This one's good, too, although at some point it's more for sheer entertainment . . . .

Sergeant Rock · April 09, 2012, 11:59:17 AM

Quote from: karlhenning on April 09, 2012, 11:20:24 AM
This one's good, too, although at some point it's more for sheer entertainment . . . .

I completely forgot about that thread. I'll have to re-read, yes, for the entertainment value. I don't even remember writing this in defense of Shostakovich in the face of an attack by the strange Sydney Grew:

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 13, 2008, 05:58:46 AM
We contend that it is completely possible to be a sensitive and discriminating person and still possess a pair of balls and the ability to use your ears like a man.

Sarge

Sarge

Karl Henning · April 09, 2012, 12:06:14 PM

That was one for the ages, Sarge!

springrite · April 09, 2012, 12:10:44 PM

Now, that's one I could use in my next psychotherapy workshop.

I have used a few from GMG, believe me.

Karl Henning · April 09, 2012, 12:12:15 PM

(Uh-oh . . . .)

sheffmark · April 09, 2012, 01:41:40 PM

What are peoples thoughts on this collection?

madaboutmahler · April 09, 2012, 01:47:26 PM

Quote from: sheffmark on April 09, 2012, 01:41:40 PM
What are peoples thoughts on this collection?

That has many great recordings in it, so would probably be a good choice, Mark, and a good introduction to Mahler's entire output. At some point, I would highly recommend that you get the Bernstein set of the Mahler symphonies on DG though.

sheffmark · April 09, 2012, 01:55:59 PM

Thanks for that!
Is this the Bernstein set?
Reviews are pretty good!

jlaurson · April 09, 2012, 01:57:56 PM

Quote from: sheffmark on April 09, 2012, 01:41:40 PM
What are peoples thoughts on this collection?

G. Mahler
"Complete Works"
EMI (~£21)

Hodge-podge of excellence and so-so stuff. (See below) Barbirolli M6, Giulini M1 are the top draw here. And, depending on how you feel about them, some of the older recordings with F'wangler, Walter, Szell...

Ultimately it depends on what you already have, or what else you have... but all things being equal, the DG-box is superior, and by a considerable margin. [Except: WTF: It's already out of print? Geeez. Well, there goes that set's competitiveness.]

G. Mahler
"Complete Works"
DG (~£75)

CD 1 - "Das Klagende Lied". Simon Rattle/C.B.S.O., 1983/84 [Nothing wrong with that version]
Piano Quartet movement. Domus, 1988

CD 2 - "Songs Of A Wayfarer". D. Fischer-Dieskau/Furtwaengler/Philharmonia, 1952 [Aged classic]
Symphony #1. Giulini/Chicago Symphony, 1971 [Very fine, underrated performance]

CD 3 - Symphony #2. Klemperer/Philharmonia (studio version), 1961

CD 4 - Three Early Songs. Ian Bostridge/A. Pappano (piano), 2010
14 "Lieder & Gesaenge". Sung by var. big names from EMI catalog.
Symphony #3, Mvt. 1. Rattle/C.B.S.O./Birgirt Remmert (mezzo), 1997

CD 5 - Sym. #3, Mvts. II - VI. Rattle/CBSO.
"Blumine". P. Jarvi/Frankfurt R.S.O., 2009 [review here]

CD 6 - Sym. #4. Horenstein/L.P.O./M. Price (sop), 1970

CD 7 - Sym. #5. K. Tennstedt/L.P.O. - "live", 1988

CD 8 - "Kindertotenlieder". K. Ferrier/B. Walter/V.P.O., 1949 [Even more aged classic]
"Five Ruckert Lieder". J. Baker/Barbirolli/New Phil., 1969
Sym. #6, Mvt. I. J. Barbirolli/New Philharmonia, 1967 [one of the best performances of that symphony]

CD 9 - Sym. #6, Mvts. II - IV. Barbirolli/New Phil., 1967

CD 10 - Sym. #7. Rattle/C.B.S.O., 1991 (Aldeburgh Festival) [so/so]

CD 11 - "Des Knaben Wunderhorn". Schwarzkopf/Fischer-Dieskau/G.Szell/L.S.O., 1968 [classic]
Sym. #8, Part I. Tennstedt/L.P.O., 1986

CD 12 - Sym. #8, Part II. Tennstedt/L.P.O., 1986 [classic let-down]

CD 13 - "Das Lied von der Erde". C. Ludwig/Wunderlich/Klemperer/Phil., 1966 [classic]

CD 14 - Sym. #9. Barbirolli/Berlin Phil., 1964 [fine, but not at the level of his 6th, esp. compared to competition]

CD 15 - Sym. #10. S. Rattle/Berlin Phil., 1999 [Many prefer his CoBSO Cooke II version. Not my favorite, but I find it competitive.]

madaboutmahler · April 09, 2012, 01:58:53 PM

Quote from: sheffmark on April 09, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
Thanks for that!
Is this the Bernstein set?
Reviews are pretty good!

Yes, this is it!

I am sure that nearly everyone here will agree that these are classic performances. Bernstein had a very special take on Mahler which anyone who listens to Mahler needs to hear. So, this would be a very good choice!

Glad to see that you are so enthuastic about diving into the music of Mahler!

jlaurson · April 09, 2012, 02:04:34 PM

Lisztianwagner · April 09, 2012, 02:08:04 PM

Quote from: sheffmark on April 09, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
Reviews are pretty good!

Bernstein's Mahler Symphonies Cycle is almost near perfection, it contains many of the most thrilling, beautiful performances of Mahler's works I've ever heard. Same speech for Das Lied von der Erde, such a powerful, brilliant interpretation. I agree you can't certainly get wrong with this set.

sheffmark · April 09, 2012, 02:21:06 PM

Quote from: madaboutmahler on April 09, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Yes, this is it!

I am sure that nearly everyone here will agree that these are classic performances. Bernstein had a very special take on Mahler which anyone who listens to Mahler needs to hear. So, this would be a very good choice!

Glad to see that you are so enthuastic about diving into the music of Mahler!

From what i gather,some people find it difficult to get into Mahler's music straight away.
He seems to be a composer that grows on people (if at all) then they are a commited admirer of him and his work.
I've only heard smphony No4 and No5 but i do like what i've heard so far.
I don't know how far removed Tchaikovsky,Bach and Debussy (I've got recordings of these composers) are from Mahler but i like all i've heard so far.
I'm very,very new to this kind of music so i can easily get lost in the complexities of it but i appreciate the help from fellow forumers!

sheffmark · April 09, 2012, 02:24:32 PM

Quote from: jlaurson on April 09, 2012, 02:04:34 PM
Here's some Mahler stuff to read, if you have too much time.

Discusses complete cycles and individual performances.
Part 1 is usually more general comments; part 2 includes recommendations. (Always very much a personal matter in Mahler, though some amount of common ground can be found among most Mahlerites.

Wow!!!!!

I'll have to take a month off work to read that!

Ha-Ha!!

Thanks for the links!!

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