Richard Strauss's house

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Florestan

Quote from: Jo498 on July 13, 2024, 10:46:49 PMOne scathing Viennese critic commented on that piece: For Richard, I'd rather have Wagner, for Strauss rather Johann and for Schlagobers (= whipped cream) rather Demel's (a famous Viennese Café, or more precisely "k.u.k Hofzuckerbäcker")  ;D

https://www.demel.com/

My own scathing comment: for Richard, I'd rather have Clayderman, for Strauss rather Oscar (minus one s) and for whipped cream rather Capșa (https://cofetaria.capsa.ro/).
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — Claude Debussy

Symphonic Addict

When a top-tier composer puts himself down in a third-tier category. The very meaning of ignominious bombast. Fortunately, something like that didn't repeat in his output.

The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied.

DaveF

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on August 20, 2024, 09:32:29 AMWhen a top-tier composer puts himself down in a third-tier category. The very meaning of ignominious bombast. Fortunately, something like that didn't repeat in his output.
I'm sure that, since he was practically ordered by Goebbels (in 1940) to compose the piece, Strauss might just have purposely overdone the bombast, much as he did in Friedenstag, another Nazi-approved piece.

Much more disturbing is the fact that Britten was also prepared to produce a piece (the Sinfonia da Requiem) for the same festive occasion.
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Symphonic Addict

Quote from: DaveF on August 20, 2024, 11:31:08 AMI'm sure that, since he was practically ordered by Goebbels (in 1940) to compose the piece, Strauss might just have purposely overdone the bombast, much as he did in Friedenstag, another Nazi-approved piece.

Much more disturbing is the fact that Britten was also prepared to produce a piece (the Sinfonia da Requiem) for the same festive occasion.

Friedenstag (!) and Sinfonia da Requiem have more substance to me at least, but the Japanische Festmusik is a piece of junk to put it mildly!
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied.

Leo K.

Wow I am FINALLY getting Strauss! Thanks to Fritz Reiner and Wilhelm Furtwangler as of late. It has took years now of patiently listening and now its like a light has flashed on.

Der lächelnde Schatten

Quote from: Leo K. on June 05, 2025, 05:06:48 AMWow I am FINALLY getting Strauss! Thanks to Fritz Reiner and Wilhelm Furtwangler as of late. It has took years now of patiently listening and now its like a light has flashed on.

You have me curious: what was it about Strauss that was giving you such a tough time?
"To send light into the darkness of men's hearts - such is the duty of the artist." ― Robert Schumann

Mandryka

Quote from: Leo K. on June 05, 2025, 05:06:48 AMWow I am FINALLY getting Strauss! Thanks to Fritz Reiner and Wilhelm Furtwangler as of late. It has took years now of patiently listening and now its like a light has flashed on.

Which Furtwangler?
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Cato

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Quote from: Leo K. on June 05, 2025, 05:06:48 AMWow I am FINALLY getting Strauss! Thanks to Fritz Reiner and Wilhelm Furtwangler as of late. It has took years now of patiently listening and now its like a light has flashed on.


His short opera Elektra shows him on the cutting edge of German Expressionism with Schoenberg: if you can find the performance by the Metropolitan Opera with Hildegard Behrens, Deborah Voigt, and Brigitte Fassbänder from 1994, that is the one to experience.

https://www.amazon.com/Strauss-Elektra-Levine-Metropolitan-Exclusive/dp/B0064SBBA0


YouTube blocked the original link: here it is again in a different way!


Elektra on Magnetic Tape



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Mandryka

#788
A note on Metamorphosen. I have read that this music was originally written for six string instruments, and it was only after a commission that Strauss added an extra 17. The original version has been reconstructed and recorded by Hyperion Ensemble at least - I enjoy it more.
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Cato

Quote from: Cato on June 05, 2025, 09:14:09 AMHis short opera Elektra shows him on the cutting edge of German Expressionism with Schoenberg: if you can find the performance by the Metropolitan Opera with Hildegard Behrens, Deborah Voigt, and Brigitte Fassbänder from 1994, that is the one to experience.

https://www.amazon.com/Strauss-Elektra-Levine-Metropolitan-Exclusive/dp/B0064SBBA0


YouTube blocked the original link: here it is again in a different way!


Elektra on Magnetic Tape





My original link to the performance with Hildegarde Behrens was short-circuited.  The link above should work!
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Leo K.

Quote from: Der lächelnde Schatten on June 05, 2025, 06:11:48 AMYou have me curious: what was it about Strauss that was giving you such a tough time?

That's a good question. It is hard to describe. I am thinking about the tone poems. Before recently, the music felt too aimless - superficial. But now the tone poems (in particular) sound alive and exciting where the motives build and develop to a final catharsis (and more than ear-candy). I just wasn't listening deep enough. That is the gist of it I think. 

Leo K.

Quote from: Mandryka on June 05, 2025, 08:58:33 AMWhich Furtwangler?

I am listening to Apple Music and there are two recordings so far - one on Warner with the Vienna Philharmonic: https://www.warnerclassics.com/release/strauss-tod-und-verklarung

And the other is - (Till Eulenspiege):
https://classical.music.apple.com/us/album/391578238

Leo K.

Quote from: Cato on June 05, 2025, 12:48:44 PMMy original link to the performance with Hildegarde Behrens was short-circuited.  The link above should work!

Thanks!

Der lächelnde Schatten

Quote from: Leo K. on June 05, 2025, 03:31:36 PMThat's a good question. It is hard to describe. I am thinking about the tone poems. Before recently, the music felt too aimless - superficial. But now the tone poems (in particular) sound alive and exciting where the motives build and develop to a final catharsis (and more than ear-candy). I just wasn't listening deep enough. That is the gist of it I think. 

Thanks for the explanation. Do give Herr Kempe and Karajan a listen in Strauss. You won't be sorry!
"To send light into the darkness of men's hearts - such is the duty of the artist." ― Robert Schumann

Mandryka

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Quote from: Leo K. on June 05, 2025, 03:40:34 PMI am listening to Apple Music and there are two recordings so far - one on Warner with the Vienna Philharmonic: https://www.warnerclassics.com/release/strauss-tod-und-verklarung

And the other is - (Till Eulenspiege):
https://classical.music.apple.com/us/album/391578238

I just think it's astonishing that Furtwangler performed and indeed allowed to be recorded The Domestic Symphony. Furtwangler, king of romanticism, in an an almost modernist symphony with a scene representing bathing the baby. He also recorded Till Eulenspiegel, which has a musical fart as its high point.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

AnotherSpin

Quote from: Cato on June 05, 2025, 09:14:09 AMHis short opera Elektra shows him on the cutting edge of German Expressionism with Schoenberg: if you can find the performance by the Metropolitan Opera with Hildegard Behrens, Deborah Voigt, and Brigitte Fassbänder from 1994, that is the one to experience.

https://www.amazon.com/Strauss-Elektra-Levine-Metropolitan-Exclusive/dp/B0064SBBA0


YouTube blocked the original link: here it is again in a different way!


Elektra on Magnetic Tape





Just listened to it all the way through. Wow, that was brutal—in a good way, of course.


Leo K.

Quote from: Mandryka on June 06, 2025, 06:07:14 AMI just think it's astonishing that Furtwangler performed and indeed allowed to be recorded The Domestic Symphony. Furtwangler, king of romanticism, in an an almost modernist symphony with a scene representing bathing the baby. He also recorded Till Eulenspiegel, which has a musical fart as its high point.
Yeah it's incredible really, and I really like Furtwangler's Till Eulenspiegel too.

Mandryka



Thought I'd listen to Margaret Price sing some Strauss with Wolfgang Sawallisch this morning - very satisfying performances I think.
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