Franz Schubert

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André

I'm wary of PI in Schubert, not so much on account of the sound of the instruments, but the balance btw sections, as these bands often have a small string section with meagre tone. It just doesn't work for me in Schubert.

DavidW

Quote from: SonicMan46 on June 25, 2022, 06:44:46 AM
would love to have the Suitner but appears OOP,

Most of it is not even available to stream too, I looked.  Andre has great recs and I also like Suitner's Dvorak so it seemed worth a listen.

SonicMan46

Quote from: André on June 25, 2022, 10:53:04 AM
I'm wary of PI in Schubert, not so much on account of the sound of the instruments, but the balance btw sections, as these bands often have a small string section with meagre tone. It just doesn't work for me in Schubert.
Quote from: DavidW on June 25, 2022, 11:30:40 AM
Most of it is not even available to stream too, I looked.  Andre has great recs and I also like Suitner's Dvorak so it seemed worth a listen.

Hi Guys - yes, I have Suitner in Dvorak's Symphonies too - will look around some more!  Dave :)

staxomega

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Quote from: André on June 25, 2022, 10:53:04 AM
I'm wary of PI in Schubert, not so much on account of the sound of the instruments, but the balance btw sections, as these bands often have a small string section with meagre tone. It just doesn't work for me in Schubert.

That has been my experience with PI or HIP inspired on MI with the symphonies, though my sample size discrepancy between those and older performances is large. I've added some that were mentioned in the last page to my to sample list.

However I would say for the chamber music, lieder, and keyboard music there are some absolutely incredible PI performances that don't even need the qualifier "they're great for period instrument performances" but are just flat out excellent. Off the top of my head Festetics in the String Quintet is quite good. And Mosaïques have my absolute favorite performance of Death and the Maiden, a gorgeous heartfelt performance where Mosaïques are usually a bit more glib with the music (Haydn, some Beethoven) with their tempi, lack of sensitivity in slow movements, etc.

edit: well damn that was post 1000. Not a terrible way to spend it talking about one of my favorite string quartets  8)

Jo498

My favorite octet is on PI (Mozzafiato/Archibudelli) and the other chamber music I heard is good, if not necessarily great (Archibudelli quintet, Mosaiques and Festetics with A minor and two early quartets, Trout quintet with Hausmusik, Archibudelli, Arpeggione with Bylsma, Trios).
I don't have a complete recording of the symphonies on old instruments; I have 5,6,8,9 with Weil, 5+8 with Schering and 3,4,8 with Brüggen and they are not bad. I am not sufficiently interested in the early symphonies to bother with another complete recording and a single HIP disc of 1+2 apparently doesn't exist.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

KlassiskDronning

1.What do you think of his music style?
2.What did he actually look like and do you think he was cute?
3.What was his personality like? Was he approachable?

I really love and relate the most to him out of any composers. Because of his whole combination of traditional classical and Romanticism, he was the most inspirational and creative to me.

And from the portraits I have seen, his cute, boyish face, messy black hair, black clothing with his flawless and soft pale complexion I find him as perhaps the most attractive composer as well.

As far as his personality goes, I have heard he was quiet and mysterious guy which is also compelling to me.

He's actually my favourite with Beethoven as close second. Maybe Bach would be next....

Maestro267


VonStupp

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Quote from: KlassiskDronning on July 14, 2022, 10:17:47 PM
I find him as perhaps the most attractive composer as well.

A portly, five-foot tall man nicknamed 'Schwammerl', who died at age 31 of syphilitic-related maladies, contracted some 6 years earlier, and was keen to break crockery whilst imbibing, would not lay in the category of attractive for me.

But, there is someone for everyone, I suppose.  :-\

VS
"All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff."

bhodges

Quote from: KlassiskDronning on July 14, 2022, 11:56:02 PM
That's cool. I am just making my own thread so everyone can read it now and answer my questions😉 ;)

Hello, Klassisk, I see you are new -- welcome. :)

We generally have one thread per composer, mostly to keep discussions gently organized. I'm sure people will be able to see your comments and answer your questions, since your replies and those of others automatically float to the top of the thread. Thank you.

--Bruce

Mandryka

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Quote from: KlassiskDronning on July 14, 2022, 10:17:47 PM
1.What do you think of his music style?
2.What did he actually look like and do you think he was cute?
3.What was his personality like? Was he approachable?

I really love and relate the most to him out of any composers. Because of his whole combination of traditional classical and Romanticism, he was the most inspirational and creative to me.

And from the portraits I have seen, his cute, boyish face, messy black hair, black clothing with his flawless and soft pale complexion I find him as perhaps the most attractive composer as well.

As far as his personality goes, I have heard he was quiet and mysterious guy which is also compelling to me.

He's actually my favourite with Beethoven as close second. Maybe Bach would be next....

I hope it won't put you off when I point out that one famous modern composer, Georg Friedrich Haas, thinks that Schubert was a perv. See what you think of this

https://van-magazine.com/mag/schubert-erlkonig/

QuoteTo understand Schubert's compositional choices, let's return to the original poem. What is the text really about? There is strong evidence that the poem is describing the rape of a child—from the perspective of the perpetrator.

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Florestan

Quote from: Mandryka on July 15, 2022, 05:19:17 AM
I hope it won't put you off when I point out that one famous modern composer, Georg Friedrich Haas, thinks that Schubert was a perv. See what you think of this

https://van-magazine.com/mag/schubert-erlkonig/

Seems to me that the only pervert here is Mr. Haas himself. Btw, he is so famous that I've never heard of him before.

When I'm creating at the piano, I tend to feel happy; but - the eternal dilemma - how can we be happy amid the unhappiness of others? I'd do everything I could to give everyone a moment of happiness. That's what's at the heart of my music. — Nino Rota

Mandryka

Of course it was wrong of me to suggest that Haas is saying that Schubert was a perv. We must distinguish the voice of the poem from the voice of the poet. It may or may not be coherent to interpret Erlkonig as a song about a father's sexual relationship with his son. Nothing whatsoever follows about Schubert's sex interests.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Mandryka

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Quote from: Florestan on July 15, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Btw, he is so famous that I've never heard of him before.

Simon Rattle helped propel him into stardom by commenting that his ensemble piece In Vain is "one of the only already acknowledged masterpieces of the 21st century" because Rattle's comment is terrible English. One of the few, maybe. His music seems to me rather in the spirit of your compatriot Horatiu Radulescu. (Ooh, my iPad won't ido that splendid diacritical under the t that you put in Horatiu, or indeed the lovely one over the a in Radulescu.)
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Florestan

Quote from: Mandryka on July 15, 2022, 08:38:15 AM
Simon Rattle helped propel him into stardom by commenting that his ensemble piece In Vain is "one of the only already acknowledged masterpieces of the 21st century" because Rattle's comment is horribly terrible English grammar. His music seems to me rather in the spirit of your compatriot Horatiu Radulescu. (Ooh, my iPad won't do that splendid diacritical under the t that you put in Horatiu.)

Horațiu Rădulescu (Romanian pronunciation: [hoˈrat͡sju rəduˈlesku]

Try pronouncing his name.  :)
When I'm creating at the piano, I tend to feel happy; but - the eternal dilemma - how can we be happy amid the unhappiness of others? I'd do everything I could to give everyone a moment of happiness. That's what's at the heart of my music. — Nino Rota

Mandryka

Quote from: Florestan on July 15, 2022, 08:42:01 AM
Horațiu Rădulescu (Romanian pronunciation: [hoˈrat͡sju rəduˈlesku]

Try pronouncing his name.  :)

No way! You already made me a laughing stock with my Romanian friends when I tried to say that poem with no consonants about sheep (which they thought was very well made, clever!)
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Florestan

Quote from: Mandryka on July 15, 2022, 08:44:39 AM
No way! You already made me a laughing stock with my Romanian friends when I tried to say that poem with no consonants about sheep (which they thought was very well made, clever!)

:D
When I'm creating at the piano, I tend to feel happy; but - the eternal dilemma - how can we be happy amid the unhappiness of others? I'd do everything I could to give everyone a moment of happiness. That's what's at the heart of my music. — Nino Rota

KlassiskDronning

Quote from: VonStupp on July 15, 2022, 04:12:30 AM
A portly, five-foot tall man nicknamed 'Schwammerl', who died at age 31 of syphilitic-related maladies, contracted some 6 years earlier, and was keen to break crockery whilst imbibing, would not lay in the category of attractive for me.

But, there is someone for everyone, I suppose.  :-\

VS

I am actually 5"2 (160cm) and just over 200 pounds. I'm even bigger, but most guys do admit I am pretty.
I also think it is kinda messed up you would hate him just because of a common condition back in the 1800s. I just see a little contempt here. But whatever. None of that stuff doesn't mean he wasn't hot. You can stick to your plastic boyz, G.

Brian

Quote from: Florestan on July 15, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Seems to me that the only pervert here is Mr. Haas himself. Btw, he is so famous that I've never heard of him before.
I saw a quartet by GF Haas once and did not enjoy it. It was not the one which is required to be performed in complete darkness, but he wrote that one too.

VonStupp

Quote from: KlassiskDronning on July 15, 2022, 11:46:27 AM
I am actually 5"2 (160cm) and just over 200 pounds. I'm even bigger, but most guys do admit I am pretty.
I also think it is kinda messed up you would hate him just because of a common condition back in the 1800s. I just see a little contempt here. But whatever. None of that stuff doesn't mean he wasn't hot. You can stick to your plastic boyz, G.

Regardless of my troglodytic deficiencies, 9 times out of 10 my preferences lie with someone that does not have syphilis, 19th Century or not.  ;)

VS
"All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff."

DavidW

So any favorite recordings of any of the masses?