Most Intelligent GMGer

[BachQ]

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[Cato]

As a result, I am not posting a comment here.

[lukeottevanger]

Me neither. See?

[(poco) Sforzando]

Me neither. See?

A most intelligent decision.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

A most intelligent decision.

The Mystery Scores gang certainly knows when to call it quits.

[lukeottevanger]

The Mystery Scores gang certainly knows when to call it quits.

I'm not sure you can quite say that of a bunch of obsessives who've somehow managed to keep that thread on the cusp of life for 116 pages! But I'm certainly not going to quit on that one...

Bugger, I made another comment!

[Hector]

Anyone who has enough sense of humor to creatively misspell MElgarssohn

I like that

Very intelligent.

But, most intelligent?

[Saul]

What about this, then:

Abraham Mendelssohn took an uncompromising attitude towards his Jewish origins. He felt that the day of Judaism was over and that it was necessary to take practical steps to assimilate with German society.  .

Thank you. I rest my case.

[Sergeant Rock]

Pure nonsensical fabrication and delusional disruption of famous realistic facts.

Abraham never converted to Christianity out of love for this faith, but he did it because the Germans substantially limited the areas where Jews can participate.

Take the arts and the sciences as examples. The Germans barred the Jews from engaging in German culture and take part in the secular arts.

The conversion was only meant to widen the opportunities for his family and children, nothing more and nothing less. To claim otherwise is a direct insult and a slap on the face to every intellectual and history lover on earth.


Shame on you Sarge, for talking out of thin air without any shred of knowledge about the situation of European Jewry during those times.

Saul, you are confusing the Germany of 1933-45 with the very different German states of the 19th century. Jews were prominent in German society, in all fields, including the arts. In fact they were so successful, and so often in positions of power, it created a severe backlash. Anti-Semites crawled out of the woodwork and began preaching the absurd notion that Jews were destroying German culture (when in fact they were a major part of the culture).

I'm afraid it's you who is twisting history and facts to suit your own purposes. Why don't you read a Mendelssohn biography?

Sarge

[karlhenning]

I like that

Very intelligent.

But, most intelligent?

Good catch; I do think there's been a little hyperbole in the enthusiasms of this thread 

[Sergeant Rock]

Thank you. I rest my case.

You can't take a few words out of context and claim victory, Saul. Abraham converted because he wanted to not because he was forced to. And his son never accepted the Jewish religion.

I really don't understand why you're arguing with me. Felix's last name was Mendelssohn-Bartholdy. That is not a matter that is open to debate; it's simply an indisputable fact. So why do you imply that anyone who states that fact is anti-Semitic? Geez...I'm beginning to think you're a rabid anti-Christian 

Sarge

[karlhenning]

Well, rabid, anyway.

[(poco) Sforzando]

I'm afraid it's you who is twisting history and facts to suit your own purposes. Why don't you read a Mendelssohn biography?

Or rather, a Mendelssohn-Bartholdy biography.

[Sergeant Rock]

Or rather, a Mendelssohn-Bartholdy biography.

[karlhenning]

Artfully done, Sforz!

[Sergeant Rock]

Bartholdy's tombstone:




Sarge

[karlhenning]

And flights of angels long since sang him to his rest!

[Brian]

And flights of angels long since sang him to his rest!

Hark! The Herald Angels Sing 

[Saul]

You can't take a few words out of context and claim victory, Saul. Abraham converted because he wanted to not because he was forced to. And his son never accepted the Jewish religion.

I really don't understand why you're arguing with me. Felix's last name was Mendelssohn-Bartholdy. That is not a matter that is open to debate; it's simply an indisputable fact. So why do you imply that anyone who states that fact is anti-Semitic? Geez...I'm beginning to think you're a rabid anti-Christian 

Sarge

You fail to mention all the anti Semitic rules the Germans have created for the Jews.
Its entirely possible that for some Jews these anti Semitic restrictions were "signs" that Judaism is "over", for it was constantly attacked as an inferior religion by the Christian Germans. Growing up in an atmosphere of bigotry and restrictions, had made some Jews who wanted to enter the secular arts in Germany, to "convert" to Christianity as a means for an access. To disconnect Abraham's conversion from these simple and obvious facts, is really self deception on your part, Sarge.

No one is arguing that they didn't convert to Christianity, but as you know for every action there has to be a reason, and your 'reason" is void of reality.

Again, love for the Christian faith was not an ingredient in Mendelssohn's decision, rather those social pressures that the Jews were subject to, contributed enormously for his ill made choice.

Regards,

[Wanderer]

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