Started by Harry, June 23, 2007, 08:46:08 AM
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Quote from: Harry on June 23, 2007, 08:46:08 AMI love all operas by Lully, Rameau, and the likes. Gardiner recorded alot of them, and I hope, that Warner bundles them together for a nice price.
Quote from: masolino on June 23, 2007, 08:54:18 AMThe same description applies to Minkowski as well, who made the only (so far) and really superb recording of Marin Marais's "Alcyone". Lully's "Phaeton" and Rameau's "Platee" are also worth a hear (all Erato/Warner).
Quote from: Que on June 23, 2007, 10:08:41 AMOK, you guys. Give a novice like me a recommendation for a superb French baroque opera!Where shall I start? Names and numbers please! Thanks! Q
Quote from: masolino on June 23, 2007, 03:42:25 PMFor many the ULTIMATE French baroque opera (in the category of tragédies lyriques anyway)isn't one by Lully or Rameau, but Médée composed by Marc-Antoine Charpentier (libretto:Thomas Corneille). William Christie recorded it twice (for HM and Erato respectively), although the general preference is for the later Erato version with the late Lorraine Hunt in the title role. It is said that Charpentier instilled into the genre a rare psychological complexity that can be utterly challenging and rewarding to attentive listeners. The HM version, furthermore, is cut in several places, but it has its share of supporters. I am most fascinated bythe vocal style of haute-contres in this period, and Mark Padmore does a most convincing job as a French baroque Heldentenor wiki article4509-96558-2 (Erato)HM901139-41 (Harmonia mundi)
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on June 23, 2007, 09:04:17 PMI second the recommendation for Clérambault cantatas (there are other recordings) and esp. the Campra Requiem. This, along with the Gilles Requiem is one of the high points of the French Baroque sacred repertoire. The Charpentier Te Deum is another incontournable. Don't miss out on Corrette either.
Quote from: masolino on June 23, 2007, 03:42:25 PMFor many the ULTIMATE French baroque opera (in the category of tragédies lyriques anyway)isn't one by Lully or Rameau, but Médée composed by Marc-Antoine Charpentier
Quote from: Que on June 24, 2007, 04:00:57 AM71 dB, Indicating a preference for Charpentier opera as a first choice in French baroque opera, does not equate to ignoring any other composer. Besides, calling others stupid because of their preferences is not a very good idea - please be nice! But if you want to stick up for Rameau's operas - please do so! Explain which ones you like, and why you prefer them. Compare with Charpentier's operas - I could learn something! Q
Quote from: 71 dB on June 24, 2007, 05:25:49 AMI think you misinterpreted me. I didn't call anyone stupid. I am really interested of Charpentier's operas as I consider him the greatest 17th century composer of France. I just doubt Charpentier's operas can have the same level of harmonic bliss and orchestral colours Rameau has.
Quote from: Que on June 24, 2007, 06:27:46 AMAny Rameau operas you could recommend?Q
Quote from: masolino on June 24, 2007, 07:04:27 AMSo long as operas are more than "harmonic bliss and orchestral colours" there is reason to prefer Charpentier's late operatic masterpiece to Rameau's works. Rameau actually wrote catchier tunes as far as I am concerned, but there is such psychological realism in Charpentier's dramatic music (which came to a full bloom in Medea) that it stuns even modern listeners at first encounter. His characterisation for most characters is so acute it is a bit like hearing a verismo opera two centuries before its time. I think Charpentier's profound background in writing oratorios (his teacher in Rome was Giacomo Carissimi) is what enabled him to stand out here.
Quote from: Bunny on June 24, 2007, 08:17:12 PMAnd I adore Veronique Gens album Tragedienne of great arias, but which I suspect falls into the category of French Baroque Opera-Lite[asin]B000BU99CO[/asin]
Quote from: masolino on June 24, 2007, 08:27:14 AMFrançois R. Velde has written a great expository essay on recordings of French baroque operas, and it is well worth a read: A Survey of Recorded French Opera (1670-1770)A great Rameau opera to begin with, in my own experience, is his first one, Hippolyte et Aricie, based on Racine's tragedy Pheadre. As has been commented, it is a rare Rameau opera which can "stand on its own in terms of drama" and this is perhaps why it has received multiple recordings, such as one by Minkowski (Archiv) and Christie (Erato/Warner). The Amazon reviews for both versions are interesting to read as they were written by obviously partisan but passionate enthusiasts of this music: Christie's versionMinkowski's versionI only have the Minkowski recording, which was recorded live at a concert performance at Versailles.
Quote from: Que on July 17, 2007, 12:13:56 AMPlease don't feel restricted to what's currently discussed - if it's French baroque: just pitch in!Q
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