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Re: Recordings of Marin Marais' music.
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2021, 12:39:20 AM »
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Hat tip aukhawk. :)

A nice and prety recording! But I don't think I can agree with the assessment of the L'Achéron.
Did some A-B comparisons. And if anything La Rêveuse offers the "simpler", more straight forward performances. L'Achéron the more elaborate, ornamented and textured ones. Seriousminded, perhaps due to the detailed approach in the slower parts, but plenty of liveliness and variety overall.

But I could understand if L'Achéron would be too fussy and laboured for some. I've always been a big fan of the recordings by Jean-Louis Charbonnier and his ensemble (Pierre Vérany/ Ligia). Those might be more to your liking: more straightforward and energetic. For me personally, L'Achéron is a game changer with an added layer of musical detail and nuance.
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Re: Recordings of Marin Marais' music.
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2021, 01:37:26 AM »
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Hat tip aukhawk. :)

A nice and prety recording! But I don't think I can agree with the assessment of the L'Achéron.
Did some A-B comparisons. And if anything La Rêveuse offers the "simpler", more straight forward performances. L'Achéron the more elaborate, ornamented and textured ones. Seriousminded, perhaps due to the detailed approach in the slower parts, but plenty of liveliness and variety overall.

But I could understand if L'Achéron would be too fussy and laboured for some. I've always been a big fan of the recordings by Jean-Louis Charbonnier and his ensemble (Pierre Vérany/ Ligia). Those might be more to your liking: more straightforward and energetic. For me personally, L'Achéron is a game changer with an added layer of musical detail and nuance.

The problem with Charbonnier is that in the later books (Bk 5 I think) a voice introduces each piece.
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Re: Recordings of Marin Marais' music.
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2021, 01:49:50 AM »
The problem with Charbonnier is that in the later books (Bk 5 I think) a voice introduces each piece.

A nuisance for sure... All these declamations and recitations used to be pretty common on French Baroque recordings.... ???

Luckily they left those out on the reissue of the complete Book IV (Arion/Pièrre Vérany)

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Re: Recordings of the music by Marin Marais
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2021, 11:13:51 AM »
Below is a post I left in the 'WAYL2... thread' this morning - I've been listening to all 4 recordings (4 discs each; Bk II, 5 discs) of Francois Joubert-Caillet & L'Acheron on Spotify for a number of months now, mainly spurred on by posts from Harry and Que - at the bottom are the 3 double-disc sets in my collection w/ only 4 CDs being from the viol books (II-IV) - at the moment I'm listening to Jean-Louis Charbonnier and enjoying; the viol seems more prominent and accompaniment less so compared to Joubert-Caillet, IMO.

Looking on BRO HERE, there are 2 double-disc other sets w/ J-L Charbonnier ($14 each) - not a whole lot of difference vs. the 4 and 5 disc sets of F J-C/L'Acheron - so, just opening up the discussion again - now, just added to my collection below is the Jordi Savall 5-disc set which I had misplaced, sorry all.  Thanks for any comments/opinions/suggestions.  Dave :)

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Marin Marais.

Quatrieme Livre de Pieces de Viole (1717) Disc I.  Francois Joubert Caillet, Bass ViolL'Acheron.


First listen. Every bit as good as the previous volumes, Marais is clearly walking new territory. More embellishments, and Italian influences.

Hi Harry - I'm listening to the same music (Bk IV) w/ Joubert-Caillet on Spotify (to my den speakers) - I have enjoyed all of his 'Marais recordings' but have not yet purchased any, plus looking at the composer's composition list quoted below, there is a fifth book - also just checking what I already own (the 3 double-disc sets below); the first two are selections from Bks. II-IV, and the 2CDs w/ Musica Pacifica the Pieces en Trio; SO, just 4 discs total from the viol books - and Joubert-Caillet now has Bks. I-IV w/ 16 discs recorded, and is Bk. V to come?  Plan - will listen to what I own this afternoon and look for some 'bargain prices' on Francois w/ L'Acheron!  Dave :)

 

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Instrumental music (Source)
* Pieces for 1 and 2 viols, Book I (20 August 1686, only solo viols, 1 March 1689 first published with associated basso continuo)
* Pieces en trio pour les flutes, violon, et dessus de viole (published on 20 December 1692, dedicated to Marie-Anne Roland)
* Pieces for 1 and 2 viols, Book II (1701), including 32 couplets on "Les folies d'Espagne"
* Pièces de violes, Book III (1711)
* Pieces for 1 and 3 viols, Book IV (1717; includes the famous Suite d'un Goût Étranger.)
* La gamme et autres morceaux de symphonie (1723, includes La Gamme en forme d'un petit Opéra, Sonate à la Maresienne, Sonnerie de Ste-Geneviève du Mont-de-Paris)
* Pièces de violes, Book V (1725)
* 145 Pieces for viol (ca. 1680), about 100 pieces were published in Books I – III
Operas
* Idylle dramatique of 1686 (music lost)
* Alcide (1693, in collaboration with Louis Lully)
* Ariane et Bacchus (1696)
* Alcyone (premiered on 18 February 1706)
* Sémélé (1709)
* Pantomime des pages (with Louis Lully, music lost)
Sacred works
* Te Deum (1701) for the recovery of the Dauphin (lost)
* Motet Domine salvum fac regem (1701) for the recovery of the Dauphin (lost)

     
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Re: Recordings of the music by Marin Marais
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2021, 08:31:11 AM »
Just put the post quoted below in the 'movie thread' - thought that I'd repost here - Dave :)

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Tous les Matins du Monde (English: All the Mornings of the World) (1991) - French film w/ English subtitles about Marin Marais and Sainte-Colombe; brief summary below - the old Marais portrayed by Gérard Depardieu, and his younger self by his son Guillaume (1971-2008); Jean-Pierre Marielle as S-Colombe (other actors in link below); Nominations and Awards in second pic (from same link). 

"Apart from Savall, the musicians are Monserrat Figueras and Mari-Cristina Kiehr (sopranos), Christophe Coin and Jérôme Hantaï (viola da gamba), Rolf Lislevand (theorbo) and Pierre Hantaï (harpsichord and organ)." Prompted to stream this film from Amazon ($4 rental, and seen before) last night because I spent the day listening to my Marais collection, including the 5-disc set w/ Savall, Koopman,  and Hopkinson Smith.  Roger Ebert's review from 1992 HERE for those interested - probably a MUST see for those into this music.  Dave :)

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The film revolves around the late-17th/early-18th-century composer Marin Marais's life as a musician, his mentor Monsieur de Sainte-Colombe and Sainte-Colombe's daughters. The ageing Marais, played by Gérard Depardieu, narrates the story, while Depardieu's son Guillaume Depardieu plays the young Marais. The haunting sound of his instrument, the viol (viola da gamba), here played by Jordi Savall, is heard throughout the film and plays a major role in setting the mood. Though fictional, the story is based on historical characters, and what little is known about their lives is generally accurately portrayed. (Source)

 

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Re: Recordings of the music by Marin Marais
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2021, 04:23:58 PM »
Just put the post quoted below in the 'movie thread' - thought that I'd repost here - Dave :)

 

That movie was amazing. Watched it earlier this year.

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Re: Recordings of the music by Marin Marais
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2021, 07:45:00 PM »
That movie was amazing. Watched it earlier this year.

The book is good, Qignard generally is outstanding in his novels and has a major cult following in France for his philosophical works too.
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