Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier

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Bulldog

Quote from: nut-job on March 15, 2009, 07:36:12 PM
I just read that Angela Hewitt has recorded the Well Tempered Clavier again!  I have her original set and I like it, but I thought one virtue of it is that it is rather neutral, it lets Bach's polyphony speak for itself.  What's the point of doing it again?


When performers go back and record a work a second time, they feel they have something new to say.  Hantai and Schiff felt this way about the Goldberg Variations, and their second efforts certainly bear this out. 

Hewitt's not my idea of essential Bach, so I doubt I'll be acquiring her new set.

Opus106

Quote from: Renfield on March 15, 2009, 10:06:49 PM
I've actually contemplated Schiff; my WTC collection (or Bach collection, for that matter) is quite limited*.

This might be for you. Or maybe not. :)
Regards,
Navneeth

nut-job

Quote from: opus67 on March 16, 2009, 06:18:28 AM
This might be for you. Or maybe not. :)

I have that, but in the previous Decca incarnation, excellent.  But following that link was a godsend, because I stumbled on this.

It seems to be available in Germany only.   ???

Opus106

Quote from: nut-job on March 16, 2009, 06:38:28 AM
But following that link was a godsend, because I stumbled on this.

It seems to be available in Germany only.   ???

[Off-topic] Those Eloquence boxes do look appealing. I don't mind them being available only in Germany, but it's the shipping cost that really bums me out. (Maybe, once I choose enough of these boxes, I'll order them together. ;D) The availability of the Brendel/Schubert is not new to me, but the Haskil/Mozart was. I hear that she's wonderful in that repertoire. [/off-topic]
Regards,
Navneeth

Renfield

Quote from: opus67 on March 16, 2009, 06:18:28 AM
This might be for you. Or maybe not. :)

:o

Many thanks! And that thing's cheaper than the WTC alone, this side of the English Channel.

nut-job

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Quote from: opus67 on March 16, 2009, 06:53:03 AM
[Off-topic] Those Eloquence boxes do look appealing. I don't mind them being available only in Germany, but it's the shipping cost that really bums me out. (Maybe, once I choose enough of these boxes, I'll order them together. ;D) The availability of the Brendel/Schubert is not new to me, but the Haskil/Mozart was. I hear that she's wonderful in that repertoire. [/off-topic]

Well, 19 Euros seems like a bargain (after the VAT is removed) but they want 14 Euro to dispatch it to the states.  That supplied the willpower to resist it.  Hard to understand why shipping from Germany to the US is so much more expensive an inconvenient than from the UK.   The one time I did order stuff from Germany it was similarly expensive, took ages, and looked like it had been thrown out of the plane without a parachute when it finally arrived.  Even shipping from Australia to the US is tons cheaper and faster.

George

Quote from: nut-job on March 16, 2009, 08:42:23 AM
Well, 19 Euros seems like a bargain (after the VAT is removed) but they want 14 Euro to dispatch it to the state.  That supplied the willpower to resist it. 


Even with that funky, Van Morrison-esque cover?  ;)

Renfield

Quote from: George on March 16, 2009, 02:50:03 AM
How do you like the Tureck?

Whoops, I missed this.

Well, Tureck. Tureck's WTC is one of those recordings I tremendously appreciate, but somehow do not love (yet, perhaps).

So far, my WTC-affections have been held almost exclusively by Edwin Fischer, with some digressions into modern territory courtesy of Hewitt, dips into the Richter, and occasional sessions of Gould. But with Schiff on the way, I might as well revisit them all again! :D

nut-job

Quote from: Renfield on March 17, 2009, 01:52:56 AM
Whoops, I missed this.

Well, Tureck. Tureck's WTC is one of those recordings I tremendously appreciate, but somehow do not love (yet, perhaps).

So far, my WTC-affections have been held almost exclusively by Edwin Fischer, with some digressions into modern territory courtesy of Hewitt, dips into the Richter, and occasional sessions of Gould. But with Schiff on the way, I might as well revisit them all again! :D

In the Schiff set the partitas are particularly fascinating.  Don't restrict yourself to the preludes and fugues.

Renfield

Quote from: nut-job on March 17, 2009, 07:13:12 AM
In the Schiff set the partitas are particularly fascinating.  Don't restrict yourself to the preludes and fugues.


I am planning to make a point of going through the whole set. On most occasions, I simply dip into Bach's keyboard works (mostly the WTC and the Goldbergs), but this provides an opportunity to go the proverbial extra mile, I think. :) Incidentally, thanks are in order to yourself, as well, for the initial Schiff recommendation that I was anyway planning to follow up at some point, when opus67 alerted me to the offer.

Coopmv

I just do not understand why the Schiff set is ONLY available in Germany?
>:(

nut-job

Quote from: Coopmv on March 17, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
I just do not understand why the Schiff set is ONLY available in Germany?
>:(

It happens.  A similar set is available internationally, but for a lot more money.

The only thing I don't like from that set is the Goldberg Variations.


Opus106

Pieter-Jan Belder/Harpsichord/Brilliant Classics



http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/CD/93892.htm

Has anyone heard it yet?
Regards,
Navneeth

FideLeo

Quote from: opus67 on May 23, 2009, 11:59:42 AM
Pieter-Jan Belder/Harpsichord/Brilliant Classics



http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/CD/93892.htm

Has anyone heard it yet?

No...it is not yet released in UK. 

Listening to the Blandine Verlet set instead.  :)



HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

FideLeo

To be followed by a disc from Moroney's harmonia mundi set.

Todd McComb of medieval.org fame has the following praise for Moroney's WTC:

"Although there are several good recordings of WTC (whereas I claim
that, for instance, Moroney's is the only good recording of AOF), and
although I did not think that Moroney's recording stood out from these
on first hearing, after a few years' acquaintance, I also find his WTC
to be the richest and most convincing.  However, I am unsure as to
whether someone struggling to enjoy these pieces on harpsichord will
enjoy the Moroney recording as much as some others -- part of what makes
his recording so convincing over the long-term is that it is so
idiomatic for the harpsichord, even to the level of phrasing.  It's
quite a revelation, actually.

That said, Moroney's WTC recording is easily my favorite Bach
recording -- the one I get the most out of, time after time. "




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Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 12:09:16 PM
No...it is not yet released in UK. 

Listening to the Blandine Verlet set instead.  :)





Didn't Belder have some earlier WTC discs that were incorporated into that mammoth 155-CD Bach Collection set released by Brilliant two years ago?  I bought that set ...

FideLeo

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
 

Didn't Belder have some earlier WTC discs that were incorporated into that mammoth 155-CD Bach Collection set released by Brilliant two years ago?  I bought that set ...

Leon Berben was the player of that recording.
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prémont

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
 

Didn't Belder have some earlier WTC discs that were incorporated into that mammoth 155-CD Bach Collection set released by Brilliant two years ago?  I bought that set ...

No, the WTC Book I & II in the Brilliant "complete" Bach box is performed by Leon Berben. His is the most sloppy recording of the WTC I ever have heard. Always, but especially in the works with many accidentals there are abundant lots of wrong notes, completely spoiling the music. To be avoided.

Belder have recorded the WTC I & II in the mid 1990es for some small Dutch firm, whose name I do not recall. Book II is OOP. I own Book I, and regret to say, that I do not intend to write home about it.
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prémont

Quote from: opus67 on May 23, 2009, 11:59:42 AM
Pieter-Jan Belder/Harpsichord/Brilliant Classics



http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/CD/93892.htm

Has anyone heard it yet?

Ooh, his second recording of that work? Hopefully better, than his first.
Or is it a new recording at all?
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FideLeo

Quote from: premont on May 23, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
No, the WTC Book I & II in the Brilliant "complete" Bach box is performed by Leon Berben. His is the most sloppy recording of the WTC I ever have heard. Always, but especially in the works with many accidentals there are abundant lots of wrong notes, completely spoiling the music. To be avoided.

Belder have recorded the WTC I & II in the mid 1990es for some small Dutch firm, whose name I do not recall. Book II is OOP. I own Book I, and regret to say, that I do not intend to write home about it.

It appears, then, that Berben recorded his WTC as sight-readings.  Brilliant idea. >:D
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!