Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier

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premont

#200
Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
It appears, then, that Berben recorded his WTC as sight-readings.  Brilliant idea. >:D

No, I do not think so. I think he did, what he was able to, but that he did not master the job.
But I do not understand, why it was published.
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FideLeo

Quote from: premont on May 23, 2009, 01:09:56 PM
But I do not understand, why it was puplished.

To show that the collection was originally compiled by Bach for pedagogical purposes?  >:D
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
Leon Berben was the player of that recording.

Belder was on a good number of discs in that mega box ...

FideLeo

#203
Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:23:02 PM
Belder was on a good number of discs in that mega box ...

So?  Berben should have his name remembered for making what is likely the sloppiest WTC on record.... :o
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Coopmv

I will add that Belder's upcoming WTC set on my shopping list ...

FideLeo

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:28:20 PM
I will add that Belder's upcoming WTC set on my shopping list ...

I will take a pass.  To me he is better as a recorder player.
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
I will take a pass.  To me he is better as a recorder player.

You mean Belder does not specialize in harpsichord? 

FideLeo

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:32:44 PM
 

You mean Belder does not specialize in harpsichord? 

No he doesn't.  His earliest recordings for BC are of music for recorders.





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Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
No he doesn't.  His earliest recordings for BC are of music for recorders.







So Belder is Jack of all trades, master of none?

FideLeo

#209
Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
So Belder is Jack of all trades, master of none?

As I said I prefer him as a recorder player... But your mileage may vary.   :)
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
As I said I prefer him as a recorder player...

I will take a pass as well.  I want to listen to performance by a specialist.

FideLeo

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
I will take a pass as well.  I want to listen to performance by a specialist.

Well our premont specialises in Bach recordings on historical keyboards, so you may find his advice re: Belder valuable.  :)

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Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 01:47:16 PM
Well our premont specialises in Bach recordings on historical keyboards, so you may find his advice re: Belder valuable.  :)



It appears he shares my sentiment for once.  I do think a musician who is a "Jack of all trades, master of none" will bother some people.  I will stick with Bob van Asperen ...

Que

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Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
 

I will take a pass as well.  I want to listen to performance by a specialist.

Tsss. Sorry, but that is truly unfair to Belder. I admit that he failed to convince me with his Scarlatti or his Bach, but he sounded like a very good harpsichordist in both. And his Soler rocks: it is superb.
He graduated at the Hague Royal Conservatory under Bob van Asperen! ::)

Q

Edit: I meant Bach, not Couperin.

FideLeo

Quote from: Que on May 23, 2009, 01:52:56 PM
Tsss. Sorry, but that is truly unfair to Belder. I admit that he failed to convince me with his Scarlatti or his Couperin, but he sounded like a very good harpsichordist in both. And his Soler rocks: it is superb.

Q

Perhaps coopmv would be better off spending his Belder money on some Soler....
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 01:56:07 PM
Perhaps coopmv would be better off spending his Belder money on some Soler....

Refresh my memory, is Soler the so called Spanish JS Bach?

FideLeo

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
Refresh my memory, is Soler the so called Spanish JS Bach?

I have never heard that before; do you have a source?
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Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 23, 2009, 02:01:21 PM
I have never heard that before; do you have a source?

I think I saw the reference of Antonio Soler as the Spanish Bach somewhere on the web.  Johann Helmich Roman is often referred to as the Swedish Handel and I have a good number of his recordings, which are quite difficult to find.

Que

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
Refresh my memory, is Soler the so called Spanish JS Bach?

Wrong period, Soler is more like an early Classical (or transitional Baroque/Classical) variety of Domenico Scarlatti.

Q

Coopmv

Quote from: Que on May 23, 2009, 02:10:13 PM
Wrong period, Soler is more like an early Classical (or transitional Baroque/Classical) variety of Domenico Scarlatti.

Q

The Baroque era ended with the death of Handel in 1759 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Soler