Bach: Well-Tempered Clavier

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Que

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 02:12:29 PM
The Baroque era ended with the death of Handel in 1759 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Soler

So? Soler lived to 1783. Quote from "your" wiki: "Antonio Francisco Javier José Soler Ramos, usually known as Padre Antonio Soler, (December 3, 1729 (baptized) – December 20, 1783) was a Spanish composer whose works span the late Baroque and early Classical music eras..

And apart from the numerology, and more importantly: it sounds transitional.

Q

Coopmv

Quote from: Que on May 23, 2009, 02:16:34 PM
So? Soler lived to 1783. Quote from "your" wiki: "Antonio Francisco Javier José Soler Ramos, usually known as Padre Antonio Soler, (December 3, 1729 (baptized) – December 20, 1783) was a Spanish composer whose works span the late Baroque and early Classical music eras..

And apart from the numerology, and more importantly: it sounds transitional.

Q

You have to check with William Boyce to see if he objects to being called a baroque composer ...    ;D  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Boyce

Antoine Marchand

Quote from: Que on May 23, 2009, 01:52:56 PM
Tsss. Sorry, but that is truly unfair to Belder. I admit that he failed to convince me with his Scarlatti or his Bach, but he sounded like a very good harpsichordist in both. And his Soler rocks: it is superb.
He graduated at the Hague Royal Conservatory under Bob van Asperen! ::)

Q

Edit: I meant Bach, not Couperin.

I totally agree with Que.

Pieter Jan Belder is a true harsichordist and many times a great harpsichordist, for instance in Soler.

I like his Bach recordings too. For example, his Italian Concerto and his Goldbergs are excellent.


Coopmv

Quote from: Antoine Marchand on May 23, 2009, 03:06:51 PM
I totally agree with Que.

Pieter Jan Belder is a true harsichordist and many times a great harpsichordist, for instance in Soler.

I like his Bach recordings too. For example, his Italian Concerto and his Goldbergs are excellent.



We are dealing with cultural issue here in that we have been taught to believe if a musician plays more than one instrument, he cannot be a specialist in either ...

Antoine Marchand

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 03:13:50 PM
 

We are dealing with cultural issue here in that we have been taught to believe if a musician plays more than one instrument, he cannot be a specialist in either ...

IMO, Coop, the issue is that we just believe in specialists and professionals. Therefore, "amateur" and "dilettante", for example, are pejorative words.

But what reason in the world forbids to have skills in two musical instruments?

Obviously, the case of Pieter-Jan Belder is different because he has veritable academic credentials in both instruments.

:)

Bulldog

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 03:13:50 PM
We are dealing with cultural issue here in that we have been taught to believe if a musician plays more than one instrument, he cannot be a specialist in either ...

Where did you get that idea?  I never heard of it, and it makes no sense at all.

How about conductors who play one or more instruments?  Or composers who play an instrument *and* conduct?

Marc

Quote from: premont on May 23, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
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Belder have recorded the WTC I & II in the mid 1990es for some small Dutch firm, whose name I do not recall. Book II is OOP. I own Book I, and regret to say, that I do not intend to write home about it.

Must have been part of the Erasmus catalogue. Owner was Wijnand van Hooff. All the Erasmus CD's did get a WH labelnumber.
Unfortunately this budget-label didn't survive. It supported mainly young and talented Dutch musicians. Not all the recordings were that good, I think, but in a way Erasmus paved the way for Brilliant Classics.

Coopmv

Quote from: Marc on May 23, 2009, 04:15:15 PM
Must have been part of the Erasmus catalogue. Owner was Wijnand van Hooff. All the Erasmus CD's did get a WH labelnumber.
Unfortunately this budget-label didn't survive. It supported mainly young and talented Dutch musicians. Not all the recordings were that good, I think, but in a way Erasmus paved the way for Brilliant Classics.

Is Brilliant Classics Dutch?

Marc

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 04:18:02 PM
Is Brilliant Classics Dutch?

I always thought so. ;D
Their CD's are made by Joan Records, a company in Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands.

SonicMan46

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 04:18:02 PM
 
Is Brilliant Classics Dutch?

Stuart - of course! And, I think that Harry owns the company!  ;) ;D  Dave

Coopmv

Quote from: Marc on May 23, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
I always thought so. ;D
Their CD's are made by Joan Records, a company in Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands.

At least I am getting genuine 100% Dutch products when I buy Brilliant.  Unlike this company Prima Luna that bills its products as Dutch when they are all made in China ...

http://www.primaluna-usa.com/reviews.htm

Coopmv

Quote from: SonicMan on May 23, 2009, 04:28:48 PM
Stuart - of course! And, I think that Harry owns the company!  ;) ;D  Dave

We should be honored to rub virtual shoulders with Harry ...   ;D

Opus106

It appears that this is Belder's second go at it. JPC says "Label: Brilliant, DDD, 2008".

Quote from: Coopmv on May 23, 2009, 04:40:42 PM
At least I am getting genuine 100% Dutch products when I buy Brilliant.

Not when they have licensed recordings from, say, a German company and burnt them onto a Taiwanese-made CD. ::)
Regards,
Navneeth

FideLeo

Quote from: opus67 on May 24, 2009, 01:22:48 AM

Not when they have licensed recordings from, say, a German company and burnt them onto a Taiwanese-made CD. ::)

Do Brilliant Classics burn or press their CD's?  The best blanks for burning for me are the Maxell ones for music, and the ones for sale in EU at least are made in Hungary.
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Opus106

Quote from: traverso on May 24, 2009, 01:30:22 AM
Do Brilliant Classics burn or press their CD's?  The best blanks for burning for me are the Maxell ones for music, and the ones for sale in EU at least are made in Hungary.

Okay, okay: pressed them onto Taiwanese-made CD.

Happy? ;D
Regards,
Navneeth

FideLeo

Quote from: opus67 on May 24, 2009, 01:38:02 AM
Okay, okay: pressed them onto Taiwanese-made CD.

At least I know I am not getting CD-R's from BC.   But are the CD's indeed Taiwanese-made?   

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Happy? ;D

Not exactly.  ;)
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Opus106

Quote from: traverso on May 24, 2009, 01:51:21 AM
At least I know I am not getting CD-R's from BC.   But are the CD's indeed Taiwanese-made?  

I don't know. Was just trying to pull coopmv's leg. ;)
Regards,
Navneeth


Coopmv

Quote from: opus67 on May 24, 2009, 01:22:48 AM
It appears that this is Belder's second go at it. JPC says "Label: Brilliant, DDD, 2008".

Not when they have licensed recordings from, say, a German company and burnt them onto a Taiwanese-made CD. ::)

If the company that is doing the burning is Dutch, it is still Dutch product.  The CD is just the raw material.  Taiwan also makes higher quality products than China anyway.    ;D

Coopmv

Quote from: traverso on May 24, 2009, 01:30:22 AM
Do Brilliant Classics burn or press their CD's?  The best blanks for burning for me are the Maxell ones for music, and the ones for sale in EU at least are made in Hungary.

Maxell may still be Japanese-owned.  It used to be a division of Hitachi, the conglomerate.  I heard that TDK sold off its media products, which of course include CD/R, CD/W and DVD, etc to concentrate on high-margin products.