Most impressive passages of counterpoint?

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greg

Quote from: MISHUGINA on May 21, 2008, 05:15:18 AM
Rondo Burleske from Mahler 9th symphony is another great contender.
That's the first thing that came to mind for me.  8)

Anne

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There are 2 or 3 instances in Mahler 2nd symphony that I think are very pretty.

ChamberNut

I have no idea what counterpoint is or how to detect it, so I'm stumped.   :P

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For example Ricercar a 6 from The Musical Offering.
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Quote from: ChamberNut on May 21, 2008, 10:59:52 AM
I have no idea what counterpoint is or how to detect it, so I'm stumped.   :P

You know what it is. You hear it in any string quartet. Two or more identifiable musical lines sounding simultaneously = counterpoint. Tell me one of your favorite pieces and I'll point out an example of counterpoint. It is everywhere.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

greg

Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 12:06:20 PM
You know what it is. You hear it in any string quartet. Two or more identifiable musical lines sounding simultaneously = counterpoint. Tell me one of your favorite pieces and I'll point out an example of counterpoint. It is everywhere.
or:

row, row, row your boat  :P

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 21, 2008, 12:36:19 PM
or:

row, row, row your boat  :P
That's not counterpoint. There is only one melodic line in Row Row Row.

lukeottevanger

Quote from: Sforzando on May 21, 2008, 12:06:20 PM
You know what it is. You hear it in any string quartet.

Any quartet? You forget that iconoclastic work of genius by Rod Corkin...

greg

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 21, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
That's not counterpoint. There is only one melodic line in Row Row Row.
Counterpoint.

V1: row row row your boat gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily life is a $#@$ing nightmare
V2:                                       row row row your boat gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily   
       life is a $#@$ing nightmare....

Don

Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 21, 2008, 02:28:04 PM
Counterpoint.

V1: row row row your boat gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily life is a $#@$ing nightmare
V2:                                       row row row your boat gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily   
       life is a $#@$ing nightmare....

Do I hear "stretto"?


Don


greg

Quote from: Don on May 21, 2008, 02:39:14 PM
Would you say that stretto is not involved?
hmmmmmmm yes sir, i detect a stretto which is really ghetto.  8)

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on May 21, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
That's not counterpoint. There is only one melodic line in Row Row Row.

Since multiple voices take up the melodic line in succession, there most certainly is counterpoint. What you see (notated) is not what you get.

It's a true piece of row music.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: lukeottevanger on May 21, 2008, 12:55:07 PM
Any quartet? You forget that iconoclastic work of genius by Rod Corkin...

I dispute the use of the word "quartet" when applied to that quartet.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Chrone

The triple quodlibet "I Am So Proud" from The Mikado;D ;D ;D

12tone.

Most impressive passage of counterpoint is:


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jochanaan

Quote from: GGGGRRREEG on May 21, 2008, 02:35:58 PM
It's just a canon......
"A canon is like a round, only louder." ;D --Victor Borge

Agree about Bruckner 5; but there's also Bruckner 8's end, where the themes from all the movements are played together.  I would also add the fugato from the first movement of Shostakovich's Fourth Symphony.  And there are some very impressive fugatos in the last movement of Beethoven's Ninth, most particularly the 6/4 section marked Allegro energico, sempre ben marcato.

Also, I'm just reading through the score for Mahler's Ninth, and I'm impressed anew with his contrapuntal skill; every instrument has something important, nothing is "harmonic filling." 8) And I'm only on the first movement! :o
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Opus106

Could someone tell me what "contrapuntal imitation" means, in simple, layman terms?

QuoteSoon enough, this disorienting Adagio gives way to the first movement's bright, Allegro main matter. The first violin sings out the short-phrased principal theme, which the other instruments soon pick up in contrapuntal imitation.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=42:26362

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Quote from: jochanaan on May 21, 2008, 09:32:24 PM
I would also add the fugato from the first movement of Shostakovich's Fourth Symphony.
Yes, that's one of the most effectively placed fugati I know.

I'd also add the closing canon from the second Webern cantata, and the finale of Hartmann's 6th symphony in its entirety: its three fugues create unstoppable momentum.
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