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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #240 on: May 27, 2020, 01:08:09 AM »
Try Svetlanov. You’ll thank me later. ;) :D

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That's my favourite performance of Symphony No.8. That LP was a record library discovery of my youth.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #241 on: May 27, 2020, 02:19:04 AM »
That's my favourite performance of Symphony No.8. That LP was a record library discovery of my youth.

I'm slightly confused!  Is this a different performance/recording that is listed as with the USSR SO - I don't remember ever seeing Svetlanov with the Moscow RSO

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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #242 on: May 27, 2020, 06:07:43 AM »
I'm slightly confused!  Is this a different performance/recording that is listed as with the USSR SO - I don't remember ever seeing Svetlanov with the Moscow RSO



This is the set I own and it’s a later cycle with the USSR State Symphony Orchestra. The recordings he made with the Moscow Radio SO must be earlier recordings.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #243 on: May 27, 2020, 06:09:45 AM »
That's my favourite performance of Symphony No.8. That LP was a record library discovery of my youth.

Very nice, Jeffrey. I wonder if these earlier recordings are available on CD? I’ll have to check this out.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #244 on: May 27, 2020, 12:20:34 PM »
Try Svetlanov. You’ll thank me later. ;) :D

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Very good playing. I feel in this symphony a tragedy of great composer who lost inspiration (-Why? -See the name of this topic on forum).
It is very russian story to drunk away its own talant.

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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #245 on: May 27, 2020, 01:37:46 PM »
Very good playing. I feel in this symphony a tragedy of great composer who lost inspiration (-Why? -See the name of this topic on forum).
It is very russian story to drunk away its own talant.

Indeed, but we did get some great music out all of this personal turmoil thankfully.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #246 on: May 27, 2020, 02:21:54 PM »
Listen to the final part of 3d symphony in its best version in my view by Boris Khaykin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8iaSHqciCo

You will clearly hear future Sibelius music in moments 5.21-5.50 and 10.05-10.30 (they knew each other). I think it is his best symphony from beginning to end.


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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #247 on: May 27, 2020, 02:50:21 PM »
I don't remember if i tell that: Sibelius as a citizen of Russian Imperia was influenced much by russian music of Glazunov, Tchaikovsky, Rimskiy-Korsakov and also Arensky. You can listen here how similar Valse Triste of Sibelius and the 7 variation from op.35a of Arensky. I have connected them together: https://cloud.mail.ru/public/vNo5/Z25Pu5Uz5
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #248 on: May 27, 2020, 04:15:46 PM »
I've heard Serebrier and Rozhdestvensky cycles. Both are up the expectations.

What about the Orfeo recordings with Järvi and the Bamberger Symphoniker? Are they good?
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #249 on: May 27, 2020, 04:19:44 PM »
I've heard Serebrier and Rozhdestvensky cycles. Both are up the expectations.

What about the Orfeo recordings with Järvi and the Bamberger Symphoniker? Are they good?

I prefer Svetlanov to Serebrier even if Serebrier has the better audio quality. There’s something magical about the way Svetlanov conducts that just draws me in. I’d like to hear Rozhdestvensky at some point, but I’m in no dire need as Svetlanov serves me just fine. I’ll have to ask my dad about Järvi --- I think he owns that Bamberger cycle. Järvi and Bamberg are a good combination. I loved his Martinů cycle with them for example.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #250 on: May 27, 2020, 04:43:05 PM »
I prefer Svetlanov to Serebrier even if Serebrier has the better audio quality. There’s something magical about the way Svetlanov conducts that just draws me in. I’d like to hear Rozhdestvensky at some point, but I’m in no dire need as Svetlanov serves me just fine. I’ll have to ask my dad about Järvi --- I think he owns that Bamberger cycle. Järvi and Bamberg are a good combination. I loved his Martinů cycle with them for example.

I suspect I'll be acquiring the Svetlanov cycle at some moment, albeit I feel that his sometimes slow conducting puts me off a bit.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #251 on: May 27, 2020, 04:46:26 PM »
I suspect I'll be acquiring the Svetlanov cycle at some moment, albeit I feel that his sometimes slow conducting puts me off a bit.

Hmm...I never heard a really slow performance from Svetlanov. I think, if anything, his performances have an impact that stays with me days after I’ve heard them. I’m surprised he didn’t tackle much of Prokofiev’s or Weinberg’s music. The very thought of him conducting Weinberg’s Symphony No. 5 for example makes me grin from ear to ear. Oh well, we’re served rather well by Kondrashin in this symphony. :D
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #252 on: July 19, 2020, 04:42:54 PM »


Today I discovered the incredibly catchy and exquisite Suite for String Quartet in C major on the recording above. Glazunov at his most joyful and polished. Supremely fantastic work. I loved it instantly.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #253 on: July 20, 2020, 02:45:40 AM »
I'm slightly confused!  Is this a different performance/recording that is listed as with the USSR SO - I don't remember ever seeing Svetlanov with the Moscow RSO


Not too sure RS. I assumed that it was the same recording as in the boxed set but maybe not. Recently I've got to appreciate Symphony No.3 a great deal - I hardly listened to it before.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #254 on: July 20, 2020, 02:50:32 AM »
Very good playing. I feel in this symphony a tragedy of great composer who lost inspiration (-Why? -See the name of this topic on forum).
It is very russian story to drunk away its own talant.
Yes and very sad. Mussorgsky and Gavril Popov also come to mind.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #255 on: January 30, 2021, 09:02:09 AM »
I'm slightly confused!  Is this a different performance/recording that is listed as with the USSR SO - I don't remember ever seeing Svetlanov with the Moscow RSO




I think there are more recordings of Svetlanov/State Orch. that are not included in the box. Since they are recordings of various orchestral works, they are not included in the complete “symphonies” box. The box and the two discs below sound excellent.

I was listening to Golovanov’s old recordings of No.5 and others last week. They are so wild and they offer some attractive/interesting interpretations.
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #256 on: February 08, 2021, 09:21:25 PM »
Enjoying other recordings by Svetlanov. They sound wonderful.
As for his Symphonies box, the title says GlazOUnov. Is this closer to the original name?
I understand if W (or F) replaces V, but haven’t seen the spelling in question.

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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #257 on: February 08, 2021, 10:44:37 PM »
Enjoying other recordings by Svetlanov. They sound wonderful.
As for his Symphonies box, the title says GlazOUnov. Is this closer to the original name?
I understand if W (or F) replaces V, but haven’t seen the spelling in question.

It's probably just the ~Frenchified version of the name. They don't do it a lot to composers, but there's 'Borodine', 'Moussorgski', 'Scriabine' and 'Goubaidoulina' too ...

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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #258 on: February 09, 2021, 12:25:29 AM »
There used to be and still are many ways to render kyrillic/russian. Until the early/mid 20th century the French and the German ways to do this were more common (because far more Russians spoke these as second languages, travelled or lived there than in the anglophone world).
Just think how a French speaker would prounouce Glazunov (the u would rhyme with the last syllable of "perdu") or Scriabin ("-bin" would rhyme with "vin")
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Re: Glazunov's glass of vodka
« Reply #259 on: February 09, 2021, 02:16:34 AM »
It's probably just the ~Frenchified version of the name. They don't do it a lot to composers, but there's 'Borodine', 'Moussorgski', 'Scriabine' and 'Goubaidoulina' too ...
Vainberg/Weinberg
Rachmaninoff/Rachmaninov
Miaskovsky (my preference)/Myaskovsky (more common these days)
Prokofiev/Prokofieff
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