Rap Music

[snyprrr]

yo, yoo herd uh Fifty Cent???

well, I be $0.02,... dat's right Two Cents!!

And here it is.

oh...

oh wait....


ohhh,...oh no,... there it went....



Honestly, there is no way of talking about it without talking about The Industry, and then we have to bring certain elements into it which will probably get the Thread Locked,... so,.... other than 2Pac pointing his finger at the Certain Crimminal Element, what is rap but fodder to satiate the Entertain Me Culture.

Have I yet really seen any rap lyrics point the finger in a 'certain' direction?

How can you be 'street' and working for Universal at the same time?



Total Mind Control.


(boy, I'm sure we're all glad I just deleted the last paragraph I wrote, haha)


This is one of those Threads that just tempts me to come right out and say 'it'. Learning self control is a bitch, y'all.

[Lethevich]

*sigh* I can't believe I am getting into a subject I care so little about, but let's go...

Why does 50 Cent represent rap and Limp Bizkit somehow not represent rock? 99% of rock is shit, 99% of rap is shit.

[drogulus]

*sigh* I can't believe I am getting into a subject I care so little about, but let's go...

Why does 50 Cent represent rap and Limp Bizkit somehow not represent rock? 99% of rock is shit, 99% of rap is shit.

     If someone asks what I think of classical music I might say I love it well, but do I? I only really love some of it. The truth is I don't get very much from most of it, though I certainly love far more than 1%. Maybe what I love is the idea of classical music. In other words I approve of it. I don't see approving of a form as important in liking what comes from it.

     Rap raises the same questions other pop forms raise. Much of it is designed purely for commercial purposes or at least sounds like it is. Too much of it sounds like everything else in the form. But rap does produce unusual sounds, whereas most rock music I hear emanating from public sources doesn't.

[ibanezmonster]

http://www.youtube.com/v/YDiNpGSBgT4&feature=g-vrec&context=G27744f9RVAAAAAAAAAA
I'm quite liking Illogic.

Just listened to this album:


Good stuff.
His lyrics are absolutely wonderful- a real treat to read.

[snyprrr]

I take it to the screen like MiraMax
I flow like Dulcolax
I flip da splish splash
Wham bang fish catch
froopy doopy snatch latch
flap jack piddy pak
give a dog a bone

[Coco]

Oh look, middle-class anglos indulging in some not-so-subtle racism!

move along folks, nothing to see here...

[Josquin des Prez]

99% of rock is shit, 100% of rap is shit.

Fixed.

Jokes aside, Sturgeon's Law was always fallacious because while its true that 99% of everything is shit, it is by weighting the best against the best that we can cast judgement upon two competing subjects. It is my view that the best rap is worst then the best pop which is worst then the best rock which is worst then the best classical has to offer. With such a view in mind there comes a point where it doesn't matter how distinguished an artist is within the confines of his musical idiom, if such an achievement amounts to nothing particularly noteworthy.

[ibanezmonster]

Fixed.

Jokes aside, Sturgeon's Law was always fallacious because while its true that 99% of everything is shit, it is by weighting the best against the best that we can cast judgement upon two competing subjects. It is my view that the best rap is worst then the best pop which is worst then the best rock which is worst then the best classical has to offer. With such a view in mind there comes a point where it doesn't matter how distinguished an artist is within the confines of his musical idiom, if such an achievement amounts to nothing particularly noteworthy.

I think this was an analogy you made before: it's like being the master of tic-tac-toe vs. being the master of chess. 

[Zizekian]

Back in high school I used to listen to rap. Although I don't listen to it anymore, I am glad that it first introduced me to jazz music. I remember listening to Guru, Eric B & Rakim, and Digable Planets, all of whom sampled jazz artists like Coltrane, Miles, and Monk. Obviously the original jazz being sampled was superior music, but I'm willing to bet that other jazz fans today discovered jazz through hip hop samples.

Now I'm in my 30s and feel far removed from the whole hip hop scene, mostly because much of the lyrical content is so sexist, materialistic, and homophobic. I'm sure there is some good rap out there today, but I don't personally have the will or interest to find it. Unfortunately, now that rap is not sample-based and seems to be too focused on heavy, monotonous bass, it's unlikely that the curious listeners will be led to bebop or cool jazz.