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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #320 on: October 23, 2013, 07:57:51 AM »
I've been told from someone over at MODE that Steven Schick's The early percussion music of Stockhausen DVD incl. Mikrophonie I, Zyklus etc. is being released late-last quarter as well.

Oh that is exciting! Did you speak with Alice or Brian?

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #321 on: October 23, 2013, 08:01:11 AM »
Cool! We can chat Stockhausen up on the Xenakis thread, too!
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« Reply #322 on: October 23, 2013, 01:01:57 PM »
;D

Stockhausen casts such a large shadow, no composer or apparently no thread either, can escape it.

I guess that’s a kind way of saying that one particular Stockhausen fan among us is a bit of a prat.

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #323 on: October 23, 2013, 09:06:29 PM »
Yeah, let's use Xenakis' thread as a springboard for you to discuss Stockhausen. ::) How bogus of you, James.
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #324 on: October 24, 2013, 04:00:46 AM »
So, no actual Xenakis news today?
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #325 on: October 24, 2013, 04:17:08 AM »
SO now that we are on record as being opposed to James' rather innocuous comment (I know, it isn't sui generis, but damn!) can we move it along. Who is this Xenakis guy anyway?  ???

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #326 on: October 24, 2013, 04:30:29 AM »
SO now that we are on record as being opposed to James' rather innocuous comment (I know, it isn't sui generis, but damn!) can we move it along. Who is this Xenakis guy anyway?  ???
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #327 on: October 24, 2013, 04:32:38 AM »
Any composer who is with it, would be!
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #328 on: October 24, 2013, 04:46:45 AM »
Well, I could go for two of those three . . . .
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #329 on: October 24, 2013, 04:55:20 AM »
And thank you, those Xenakis pieces look interesting. (Of course, the Messiaen works on that disc are classics.  And on a personal note, my first sight of O sacrum convivium was as sight-reading in an audition at Trinity Church in Copley Square.  Of course, if that choir director had been a real professional, he would have used Stockhausen for sight-reading; we all know that.)
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #330 on: October 24, 2013, 05:38:02 AM »
My comment about Stockhausen (a contemporary of Xenakis) having a new release on the same label, around the same time to a 'new' member who likes both isn't out of place or inappropriate at all. Some folks around here are acting like big babies.

They love raggin' on you, don't they? ::)


Both Stockhausen and Xenakis were pupils of Messiaen and this recording collects some choral music by all three - recommended.



Is the Xenakis piece A Helene on there? That is the most normal sounding Xenakis piece, sounding like some Greek ancient choir music, very striking for those who aren't prepared to here conventional beauty out of Xenakis. snyprrr, are you familiar with this piece?

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #331 on: October 24, 2013, 05:41:47 AM »
Is the Xenakis piece A Helene on there? That is the most normal sounding Xenakis piece, sounding like some Greek ancient choir music, very striking for those who aren't prepared to here conventional beauty out of Xenakis. snyprrr, are you familiar with this piece?
A Helene is there.

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« Reply #332 on: October 24, 2013, 05:51:03 AM »
Three Xenakis works on that disc, all new to me.
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #333 on: October 24, 2013, 05:53:48 AM »
I've somehow never got around to acquiring that Chandos disc, though, speaking of choral Xenakis, I do have James Wood's fine disc on Hyperion.



There's a partial overlap with the Chandos disc (Serment and Nuits, though the latter work most definitely deserves multiple readings).
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« Reply #334 on: October 24, 2013, 07:13:36 AM »
Since we're talkin' pupils, for consideration of further exploration .. some of these pupils went on to write some absolutely vast, incredibly inventive jawdropping choral edifices. See KS's Invisible Choirs, Welt-parlament or Angel Processions for instance. Clear examples of a pupil far surpassing not only all the other pupils but also the teacher!

Yes! He surpasses everybody! He is so utterly incredible in every way! Wow!

Gotta say it again: Wow!
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« Reply #335 on: October 24, 2013, 07:30:34 AM »
Yes! He surpasses everybody! He is so utterly incredible in every way! Wow!

Gotta say it again: Wow!

cue 'O Fortuna'! and 'Thus Spake Z.' simulataneously!

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #336 on: October 26, 2013, 12:56:36 PM »
Anemoessa is so similar to Ligeti’s Requiem that I’m curious what the composers thought of each other. Did they make any remarks in interviews about each other’s music?

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #337 on: November 02, 2013, 09:53:38 AM »
Not that it really matters but I doubt that a composer such as Ligeti who had an extraordinary & deep harmonic sense would have liked to listen to Xenakis's 'blobs or swarms of sound' approach much  ... as it lacks forensic detail and doesn't have an active organic musical inner-life beneath the surface; its pretty divorced from that.

Listen to Eridanos (1972) on the Timpani set and tell me what you think. I'd call it his most Ligetian piece, and it is somewhat unique in his oeuvre.

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Honestly, I just don't know what to make of this release, which has duplicates from the labels' very own ongoing Xenakis Cycle. Brian?
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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #338 on: November 09, 2013, 08:57:29 AM »
Do check my Post in the other Thread: I had a chat with Brian over at Mode, and he cleared up some up-coming releases! yay! Anyone get 'Ensemble Music 3' yet?

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Re: Xenakis's Xen
« Reply #339 on: November 09, 2013, 09:10:33 AM »
Not that it really matters but I doubt that a composer such as Ligeti who had an extraordinary & deep harmonic sense would have liked to listen to Xenakis's 'blobs or swarms of sound' approach much  ... as it lacks forensic detail and doesn't have an active organic musical inner-life beneath the surface; its pretty divorced from that.

I wouldn't be so sure. Morton Feldman deeply admired Xenakis' music and his music is the polar opposite of Xenakis, so there's a lot that could be said of this of course. Having said this, please refrain from your 'Yeah, but Feldman is boring' rebuttal post. I think we're all a little tired of these posts from you.
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