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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #540 on: January 30, 2022, 07:07:48 AM »
The other day I followed the conversation about Ives's violin sonatas. I've had the 2nd movement from the 3rd Sonata in my mind and man, what a f**ing miniature masterpiece! Fiendishly difficult. That cow-boy dance is exhilarating. I especially like from the 2:57 mark on. In that moment it looks like the composer was about to explode of madness!! What a jackass fragment indeed!

On this note, I must plan a revisit of Violin Sonata No. 3. I'll admit that I love all of Ives' violin sonatas, though. They all hold a special place in my heart as does a lot of Ives' music in general.
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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #541 on: January 31, 2022, 02:41:00 PM »
This post wasn't directed to me, but this is my favorite recording of the Concord Sonata:



I have yet to hear anyone top Gilbert Kalish and the Nonesuch audio quality is warm --- just a lovely performance.

I totally agree on this certain recording. It is very important to me. Aces!

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« Reply #542 on: January 31, 2022, 05:44:20 PM »
I totally agree on this certain recording. It is very important to me. Aces!

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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #543 on: March 16, 2022, 06:20:45 AM »
Cross posting from WAYLT thread... Ives may have some ground to make in my list of favoured American composers, but I can see him extending his elbows in future...

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Isn't it strange how some things people say, stay with you, sometimes for years?

I was advised as a young man that some composers would be 'too difficult' for me, and that I should avoid them. It colours my thinking even now, at times, even though my capacity for challenging music is somewhat developed. Perhaps that's why some of the music to which I gravitate isn't always very accessible to others and that I'm subconsciously trying to prove something to myself? Interesting...

Anyway. Along with Shostakovich, Schoenberg, and others, Charles Ives was one of the composers I was told that I wouldn't ever understand. What a shame that I've never really taken the plunge to listen to him apart from recently. Symphonies 1 - 4, New England Holidays, Orchestral Sets 1 & 2, The Unanswered Question, Central Park in the Dark... etc ... all very much worth hearing. I'm a little bemused as to why Ives would be cast this way.

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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #544 on: May 21, 2022, 04:25:55 PM »


Just playing here the Orchestral Set No. 2. What original and highly atmospheric music. Ives' stamp is quite unique I must say.
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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #545 on: May 21, 2022, 07:34:21 PM »


Just playing here the Orchestral Set No. 2. What original and highly atmospheric music. Ives' stamp is quite unique I must say.

I love this piece, too. I always thought that Orchestral Set No. 2 sounded like what if Debussy was raised in the US. It has this haziness to it that brings to the mind the French master.
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« Reply #546 on: May 21, 2022, 08:18:36 PM »
I love this piece, too. I always thought that Orchestral Set No. 2 sounded like what if Debussy was raised in the US. It has this haziness to it that brings to the mind the French master.

Yes, misty landscapes come to mind when heard it.

The older, the more I get fascinated by composers who weren't of my affections when I started to listening to them.
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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #547 on: May 22, 2022, 04:52:28 AM »
Yes, misty landscapes come to mind when heard it.

The older, the more I get fascinated by composers who weren't of my affections when I started to listening to them.

I can still say with much enthusiasm that Ives was at the beginning of my classical journey and continues to be a favorite of mine after all these years. Even after as many times as I've listened to one of his works, the music still surprises. I'm usually grinning ear to ear after I hear an Ives work.
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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #548 on: July 03, 2022, 06:59:11 AM »
For the month of July, I'm going to leave Ives up as my avatar. I think he represents what is great about American music. He was innovative, ahead of his time and he wrote the music that he wanted and made no compromises. An absolute iconoclast and one of my favorite composers. Tomorrow is the US' Independence Day, so I'll definitely be queuing up some Ives amongst other American composers.

Listening to the Two Contemplations: The Unanswered Question and Central Park in the Dark right now and they absolutely floor me each time I hear them.
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Re: Charles Ives
« Reply #549 on: July 03, 2022, 06:13:43 PM »
Cross posting from WAYLT thread... Ives may have some ground to make in my list of favoured American composers, but I can see him extending his elbows in future...

I've had people try and persuade me to stay away from this or that composer in the past and, honestly, you won't truly know how you feel until you've actually heard the music. Nobody should stop you from listening to the music that you want to hear. It's best to listen to your own inner voice and ignore the naysayers. Many people have wrote negatively about Ives in the past and many still do, but this will never affect my own thinking about the composer. He's one of the greatest composers I've ever heard and he's certainly an important American composer in that he sought out new avenues of expression that hadn't been heard previously. Whether he's successful or not is up to the listener not someone telling you that you shouldn't be listening to his music.
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