Elliott Carter, 1908-2012

[Joe Barron]

Oh, so it was a joke. I'm sorry. I definitely misunderstood . I hereby apologize publicly to Steve and ask if he'll forgive me. Seriously. And I'm glad he's back. 

[MN Dave]

Oh, so it was a joke. Sorry. My bad. I always thought jokes were supposed to be funny. 

You know any good jokes, Joe?

[Joe Barron]

You know any good jokes, Joe?

So, this violist walks into his oral examinations at the conservatory. For his first question, a prof asks, "Can you tell me the subdominant of F?" And the violist says, "I thought F was the subdominant."

Again, my apologies to Steve. It appears he intended his joke to be more good-natured than I believed.

[karlhenning]

Elliott Carter, Pierre Boulez, John Cage & Elvis Costello were in a bar . . . .

[Joe Barron]

Elliott Carter, Pierre Boulez, John Cage & Elvis Costello were in a bar . . . .

And Boulez says, "Schoenberg is dead."
Carter replies, "I agree with Whitehead that existence of any kind is a kind of teleological process, in which various kinds of concrescences attain and then lose integrated patterns of feeling."
To which Cage adds, " ... "
And Costello says, "Who cares? I'm sleeping with Diana Krall."

[karlhenning]

Cage adds, "I'm the mozzarella sticks, thank you."

[Joe Barron]

Milton Babbitt, standing nearby, says, "I wasn't listening, but who cares if I do?"

[karlhenning]

René Leibowitz inverted a pitcher of Bud Lite, with mathematically predictable results.

[Kullervo]

Theodore W. Adorno proclaimed, "No beers after Auchwitz!"

[springrite]

John Adams says:

"Uh-huh, Uh-huh, Uh-huh, Uh-huh, Uh-huh, Uh-huh, Uh-huh, Uh-huh, Uh-huh;
Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! Uh-ha! "

[greg]

Rod Corkin says:

"B"



(takes a bow)

[bhodges]

At the Look & Listen Festival tonight, I'm hearing more Carter, Retracing (2002) for solo bassoon, apparently excerpted from the Asko Concerto.  Have heard the Concerto but not sure I've come across the bassoon piece. 

--Bruce

[Joe Barron]

At the Look & Listen Festival tonight, I'm hearing more Carter, Retracing (2002) for solo bassoon, apparently excerpted from the Asko Concerto.  Have heard the Concerto but not sure I've come across the bassoon piece. 

--Bruce

I haven't heard it the bassoon piece, either, but as with all other Carter, I shall eventually.

[bwv 1080]

Shard was the first (and only) other piece I have heard about that was an lift out of a single instrumental part from a larger piece.  Is Carter the only composer to have done this?  Can we expect a solo piano piece extracted from the Concerto for Orchestra (that would be cool)?

[not edward]

Shard was the first (and only) other piece I have heard about that was an lift out of a single instrumental part from a larger piece.  Is Carter the only composer to have done this?  Can we expect a solo piano piece extracted from the Concerto for Orchestra (that would be cool)?

I thought Shard was the original piece and Luimen incorporated it into one of its four sections?

There is a prominent bassoon solo in the Asko Concerto, so I guess that's what Carter took for Retracing (I wonder which came first).

[Joe Barron]

Shard was the first (and only) other piece I have heard about that was an lift out of a single instrumental part from a larger piece.  Is Carter the only composer to have done this?  Can we expect a solo piano piece extracted from the Concerto for Orchestra (that would be cool)?

Oh. I think he's past lifting pieces from his earlier work. I also think Shard was composed first, and incorporated into the Luimen, rather than the other way around, but I'd have to double check that.

[springrite]

I also think Shard was composed first, and incorporated into the Luimen, rather than the other way around, but I'd have to double check that.

That's how I would have thought as well.

[karlhenning]

Interesting, because the title Shard seems to suggest broken remains from a prior whole . . . .

[Joe Barron]

On the Boosey site, the date for both Shard and Luimen is given as 1997, so it's hard to tell. Probably conceived together. The date for ASKO is 1999-2000, and Retracings is 2002, so in this case, the bigger work definitley preceeded the smaller, but I wouldn't be surprised if Carter had the solo bassoon piece in mind the whole time.

To answer BWV's question: I can't think of any other composer who has extracted a solo piece whole from a larger work, though, of course, rearrangements of existing material abound. Might make a good parlor game. 

[not edward]

Anyone for a Luimenparty?