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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1660 on: January 13, 2021, 06:45:57 PM »
Also Françaix, Saint-Saëns, and any Poulenc without nuns in it.

Those composers would do the trick as well.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1661 on: March 23, 2021, 06:11:12 PM »


The only ballet by Prokofiev I hadn't heard before, and it's absolutely riveting, mostly because of the abundant folk influences, which make it authentically Russian. The composer's imagination, masterful orchestration and sense of color in full display. A little more than 2 hours very well invested. An automatic favorite.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1662 on: March 23, 2021, 07:14:27 PM »


The only ballet by Prokofiev I hadn't heard before, and it's absolutely riveting, mostly because of the abundant folk influences, which make it authentically Russian. The composer's imagination, masterful orchestration and sense of color in full display. A little more than 2 hours very well invested. An automatic favorite.

Quite a nice ballet, indeed. Glad you listened to the Rozhdestvensky performance as the Jurowski on CPO just feels so bloated to me (it’s spread over three discs). This is still a ballet I have a difficult time appreciating as a whole, but it is certainly better than any of Shostakovich’s, IMHO. Prokofiev had a real knack for writing ballet music and the element of dance seems to rear its’ head in so much of what he wrote.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1663 on: March 24, 2021, 06:18:06 AM »


The only ballet by Prokofiev I hadn't heard before, and it's absolutely riveting, mostly because of the abundant folk influences, which make it authentically Russian. The composer's imagination, masterful orchestration and sense of color in full display. A little more than 2 hours very well invested. An automatic favorite.

I never could make it through it meandered so much.  Even the suite feels too long.  So it's worth revisiting and sticking it out?

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« Reply #1664 on: March 24, 2021, 07:06:20 AM »
I never could make it through it meandered so much.  Even the suite feels too long.  So it's worth revisiting and sticking it out?

This depends entirely on you. Do you have access to the Rozhdestvensky recording? If yes, then give it a listen.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1665 on: March 24, 2021, 07:41:14 AM »
You can get this nice looking Melodiya box of all of Rozhdestvensky's Prokofiev ballet recordings:



https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/ballette/hnum/2296976

Or you might try the new Bis CD with the suite:


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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1666 on: March 24, 2021, 07:43:47 AM »
You can get this nice looking Melodiya box of all of Rozhdestvensky's Prokofiev ballet recordings:



https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/ballette/hnum/2296976

Or you might try the new Bis CD with the suite:



Yep, I own that box set, too. It’s a gorgeous set. Remastered as well and it’s noticeably clearer than the previous issued set, which I also own:

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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1667 on: March 24, 2021, 09:07:11 AM »


The only ballet by Prokofiev I hadn't heard before, and it's absolutely riveting, mostly because of the abundant folk influences, which make it authentically Russian. The composer's imagination, masterful orchestration and sense of color in full display. A little more than 2 hours very well invested. An automatic favorite.

In curious timing, I am revisiting this ballet myself, this week, the BBC Phil/Noseda recording.
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« Reply #1668 on: March 24, 2021, 11:48:27 AM »
Quite a nice ballet, indeed. Glad you listened to the Rozhdestvensky performance as the Jurowski on CPO just feels so bloated to me (it’s spread over three discs). This is still a ballet I have a difficult time appreciating as a whole, but it is certainly better than any of Shostakovich’s, IMHO. Prokofiev had a real knack for writing ballet music and the element of dance seems to rear its’ head in so much of what he wrote.

Somehow the interpretation and recording accented the Russian element of the music, so I'm very happy with it. I could even think this is the closest ballet to Khachaturian's style. Shostakovich's ballets seem more bombastic, and I agree about Prokofiev's gift for writing ballets.
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« Reply #1669 on: March 24, 2021, 11:49:32 AM »
I never could make it through it meandered so much.  Even the suite feels too long.  So it's worth revisiting and sticking it out?

I didn't have any problem with the work. I really loved it.
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« Reply #1670 on: March 24, 2021, 11:50:50 AM »
In curious timing, I am revisiting this ballet myself, this week, the BBC Phil/Noseda recording.

Hopefully that recording will do full justice to the work.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1671 on: March 24, 2021, 11:56:55 AM »
Somehow the interpretation and recording accented the Russian element of the music, so I'm very happy with it. I could even think this is the closest ballet to Khachaturian's style. Shostakovich's ballets seem more bombastic, and I agree about Prokofiev's gift for writing ballets.

Yeah, but for this listener it’s better than anything Khachaturian wrote. Sorry, I had to say it. :-X
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1672 on: March 24, 2021, 12:05:20 PM »
Yeah, but for this listener it’s better than anything Khachaturian wrote. Sorry, I had to say it. :-X

I won't discuss that. I do adore Gayaneh, though.
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« Reply #1673 on: March 24, 2021, 03:38:30 PM »
Hopefully that recording will do full justice to the work.

I believe it does.
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1674 on: March 24, 2021, 03:59:29 PM »
I didn't have any problem with the work. I really loved it.

It's just that his other stage works are so damn good/great and we don't get that here.  But it could be I need to revisit.

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« Reply #1675 on: March 24, 2021, 04:01:43 PM »
It's just that his other stage works are so damn good/great and we don't get that here.  But it could be I need to revisit.

I feel ya; I got over that, don't know what to suggest ....
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1676 on: March 30, 2021, 06:34:05 AM »
In anticipation and celebration of MI (John) acquiring this set, I am revisiting it myself.

Currently listening to the "War Sonatas".


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« Reply #1677 on: March 30, 2021, 06:37:03 AM »
In anticipation and celebration of MI (John) acquiring this set, I am revisiting it myself.

Currently listening to the "War Sonatas".



Very nice, Ray. 8)
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« Reply #1678 on: March 30, 2021, 06:46:12 AM »
Sweet!
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Re: Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon
« Reply #1679 on: June 06, 2021, 04:11:12 AM »
I've been deeply impressed by returning to hearing Prokofiev's symphonies this last week after quite an absence. I picked up the Schipperges biography for £1 at a second hand book store along with Simpson's two paperbacks on The Symphony, Tawaststjerna's second volume of Sibelius translated by Layton, and Alma Mahler on the man himself, all for 50p each. I also had Mahler Rembered by Lebrecht for £1, but I hear he isn't so popular round here.

The Prokofiev is a great read for a novice. The draw of 'home' described there is quite a thing, despite the imperfections that home brings. Anyway, despite not always being so able to discern all of the differences between symphony cycles that many here can describe at length, I've found a real immediacy in the Dmitrij Kitajenko renderings that is less noticeable in the Gergiev and Jarvi that I began with. I've been able to thoroughly enjoy 6, 3, and 7 more than ever with this set of performances. 2 is an 'edge of the seat' experience.

Apologies for rambling, but it's been immensely positive.
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