Music score for Wagner's Parsifal

[PerfectWagnerite]

Okay, I lost my Eulenberg score for Parsifal and I need a new one. Since I pretty much have the entire libretto memorized I don't think I will pay the hefty price for another Eulenberg score. Does anyone know what the difference between these two are:

1) The Dover Score, full orchestral and vocal but no translation:


2) This one, not sure what it is although it translates into score:

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

I have it. It is cheap (it was in Holland). Full score, in German. I don't think there are many differences between it and the Dover edition (I have a Tristan from Dover, so that's my comparison).

Edit: it says on the last page - This is an unabridged reprint of the first Schott edition (no date), the first print of the full score. The copy reproduced here is preserved in the Liszt Ferenc Memorial Museum and Research Center, Budapest. The copy was owned by Ferenc Liszt. His corrections have been incorporated in the present publication.

[PerfectWagnerite]

Thanks ! Yeah it is available from Amazon for about $7 including shipping whereas the Dover costs around $20-$25.

[M forever]

PW, can you actually read music?

[greg]

1) The Dover Score, full orchestral and vocal but no translation:


These Wagner scores always look so nice and fancy. I coulda swore, though, if I remember right, when I checked out the score to Tristan und Isolde, the cover was the exact same cover as the CD (although i can't remember which recording i checked out).

[PerfectWagnerite]

1) The Dover Score, full orchestral and vocal but no translation:


These Wagner scores always look so nice and fancy. I coulda swore, though, if I remember right, when I checked out the score to Tristan und Isolde, the cover was the exact same cover as the CD (although i can't remember which recording i checked out).

You mean this Dover score?


and the corresponding Bernstein recording:



Some of the Dover scores are better than others. The Mahler 3rd actually has a glossary of German terms in the beginning corresponding to Mahler's indications in the score. But that is a rare case, most of them are strictly in it's original language.

[lukeottevanger]

Some of the Dover scores are better than others. The Mahler 3rd actually has a glossary of German terms in the beginning corresponding to Mahler's indications in the score. But that is a rare case, most of them are strictly in it's original language.

It's not a rare case really - quite a few Dover scores do this.

[greg]

You mean this Dover score?


and the corresponding Bernstein recording:



Some of the Dover scores are better than others. The Mahler 3rd actually has a glossary of German terms in the beginning corresponding to Mahler's indications in the score. But that is a rare case, most of them are strictly in it's original language.

Exactly! 

I like when they include the translations.... all the Mahler scores i have in book form have these (3+4, 5+6, and 9) although the pdfs mainly don't. It makes me wonder whether or not a lot of them don't include them.

[PerfectWagnerite]

I like when they include the translations.... all the Mahler scores i have in book form have these (3+4, 5+6, and 9) although the pdfs mainly don't. It makes me wonder whether or not a lot of them don't include them.

I can tell you Dover's Mahler 1 and 2 doesn't have translations. THe print is also pretty awful, looks like they photocopied it from somewhere.

[(poco) Sforzando]

The second edition you show is from a Hungarian reprint house. I have a couple of their scores and I think the paper and binding are inferior to Dover's. Dover scores themselves vary quite a bit in quality. They're mainly a public-domain reprint house, and the results can vary from excellent to pretty dreadful. I have not seen their Parsifal, but the Meistersinger and Tristan are quite well-produced, better than their Ring scores. And some of their scores are pleasant surprises: the Bach WTC, Prokofiev short piano pieces, and the full scores to three of the G+S operettas are all superb.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

The second edition you show is from a Hungarian reprint house. I have a couple of their scores and I think the paper and binding are inferior to Dover's.

Quite true. But the price gave me a gentle nudge...

[(poco) Sforzando]

Quite true. But the price gave me a gentle nudge...

I have a great personal advantage with Dover as their headquarters is only a 30-minute drive from my home (on Long Island, en route to New York City). They have a little 8'² room overflowing with bookshelves designated as the "store," and any books considered "hurt" (generally minor blemishes) are sold for 50% off the cover price. I make a trip once or twice a year, and have gotten many good values that way.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

I have a great personal advantage with Dover as their headquarters is only a 30-minute drive from my home (on Long Island, en route to New York City). They have a little 8'² room overflowing with bookshelves designated as the "store," and any books considered "hurt" (generally minor blemishes) are sold for 50% off the cover price. I make a trip once or twice a year, and have gotten many good values that way.

Lucky you!

[OT - I have family living on Long Island, in Islip. I stayed with them for three weeks in 1978...]

[(poco) Sforzando]

Lucky you!

[OT - I have family living on Long Island, in Islip. I stayed with them for three weeks in 1978...]

[OT - Very close to my home.]

[PerfectWagnerite]

I have a great personal advantage with Dover as their headquarters is only a 30-minute drive from my home (on Long Island, en route to New York City). They have a little 8'² room overflowing with bookshelves designated as the "store," and any books considered "hurt" (generally minor blemishes) are sold for 50% off the cover price. I make a trip once or twice a year, and have gotten many good values that way.

Where would that be if you don't mind sharing. I live in Queens so LI is definitely close.

Talk about binding the Eulenberg scores aren't the highest quality either. The binding is quite good but the paper is like tissue paper. Dover at least gives you big thick paper.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Where would that be if you don't mind sharing. I live in Queens so LI is definitely close.

Talk about binding the Eulenberg scores aren't the highest quality either. The binding is quite good but the paper is like tissue paper. Dover at least gives you big thick paper.

Eulenburg is using much better-quality paper for its latest reprints than it used to. Actually, though, I have a set of cloth-board Ring Cycle scores purchased in 1977 still in near-mint condition, with decent thick paper and no print-through.

Dover is located in Mineola. The store is open only during weekday business hours. But don't try squeezing into the little parking area near the entrance; it's very hard to manoeuvre. There is usually ample street parking up the street east on E. 2nd Street, or in the Western Beef supermarket lot a block west also on E. 2nd.

http://www.doverbooks.org/dpub/doverjobopp.htm#directions

ETA: You can also buy any other Dover book there, at full price if it's not on the hurt shelves. The inventory in the store naturally varies.

[greg]

Eulenburg is using much better-quality paper for its latest reprints than it used to. Actually, though, I have a set of cloth-board Ring Cycle scores purchased in 1977 still in near-mint condition, with decent thick paper and no print-through.

Dover is located in Mineola. The store is open only during weekday business hours. But don't try squeezing into the little parking area near the entrance; it's very hard to manoeuvre. There is usually ample street parking up the street east on E. 2nd Street, or in the Western Beef supermarket lot a block west also on E. 2nd.

http://www.doverbooks.org/dpub/doverjobopp.htm#directions

You know, I once had a dream where I was in a bookstore, except it was all really just sheet music. And they had any composer you could imagine there...... if i ever go to NY, i'll have to check that one out  0:)

[(poco) Sforzando]

You know, I once had a dream where I was in a bookstore, except it was all really just sheet music. And they had any composer you could imagine there...... if i ever go to NY, i'll have to check that one out  0:)

Oddly enough, I have had similar dreams fairly often. But if you go to NY, Mineola and Dover are quite a bit out of your way, and I would sooner advise staying in Manhattan and going to Patelson near Carnegie Hall or the Juilliard Bookstore near Lincoln Center.
http://www.patelson.com/

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

[OT - Very close to my home.]

Amazing!

[PerfectWagnerite]

Oddly enough, I have had similar dreams fairly often. But if you go to NY, Mineola and Dover are quite a bit out of your way, and I would sooner advise staying in Manhattan and going to Patelson near Carnegie Hall or the Juilliard Bookstore near Lincoln Center.
http://www.patelson.com/

Thanks. I used to go to that store when I was in high school and I needed sheet music. I probably haven't been there in 15 years.