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Re: great Russian composers
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2009, 01:50:10 PM »
a bit price-y, might be in a nearby library:
History of Music in Russia from Antiquity to 1800 - Vol. 1
Nikolai Findeizen
Translation by Samuel William Pring
Edited and annotated by Miloš Velimirovic and Claudia R. Jensen with the assistance of Malcolm Hamrick Brown and Daniel C. Waugh

http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=41658
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Re: great Russian composers
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2009, 12:35:49 AM »
And if not, why not?  Russians must have been writing music, why don't we know it?

Until the 18th century, Russia was pretty much isolated from most Western cultural currents, including the development of art music that took place in the Renaissance and Baroque periods. So after the forced Westernization started under Peter the Great, they had a lot of catching up to do, which began to show results around 1800 or so, with minor composers like Bortnyansky et al.

Before that, there was art music in Russia, but it was mostly Orthodox liturgical music.
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Re: great Russian composers
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2016, 10:12:01 PM »
Can't see Khachaturian in the composer list.
Here is a new release of his best symphony I think:

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Re: great Russian composers
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2016, 11:07:57 PM »
Is there a Russian Bach, for example? 

No.

The Russian principalities were conquered by the Mongols in the 13th century, then controlled by the Kipchak khanate of the Golden Horde for centuries.  After they finally threw 'the Mongol yoke' off, Russian nobles fought amongst each other until Ivan and Peter finally "unified" the country - but it was backward technologically and socially compared to western Europe.  There were no schools of higher learning and so forth until Peter the Great started bringing Russia "up to speed."  Therefore, no Renaissance or Baroque period in Russia - and no audience for it, either, until Russian society was ready for the Western European music tradition, outside of some church music.  Peter and Kat sent people to Italy and elsewhere for training for their courts - the first figures were some Ukrainian composers but the first Russian composer of importance is Glinka.  Soon, Russia becomes a hotbed of good and great composers - after Germany, arguably the 2nd most important country in Classical music (with the Italians also in the running) - with at least two towering geniuses - Tchaikovsky, and later Shostakovich.  Before and after,  lots of really fine people peppered throughout - Rubinstein, Scriabin, Mussorgsky, Borodin, Prokofiev, Rimsky-Korsakov, Weinberg, and many good composers of somewhat lesser stature.

If they came to the party a little late, they more than made up for it.   A parallel might be seen with Britain in the 20th century.
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Re: great Russian composers
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2016, 05:57:47 AM »
Can't see Khachaturian in the composer list.
Here is a new release of his best symphony I think:



Very nice, Jeffrey. I'll have to revisit this symphony. I have Jarvi's and the composer's own performance.
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Re: great Russian composers
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2016, 09:41:01 PM »
Very nice, Jeffrey. I'll have to revisit this symphony. I have Jarvi's and the composer's own performance.
Me too John + the Stokowski. I think that Jarvi's is the best. I wish that RCA would issue Tjeknavorian's first LSO recording of Symphony 1.
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