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« Reply #1120 on: April 16, 2019, 06:28:06 AM »
Excellent John! Although I'm most jealous that you have a 'De-Luxe edition' of Damien: Omen II coming. My daughter and her cousin became obsessed with the opening titles music and used to play it on their mobile phones at family dinner parties! Her cousin even wanted it played at his wedding but his fiancé unsurprisingly vetoed the idea. I have an old Jerry Goldsmith compilation album 2CD set (one of the series performed by the Prague Philharmonic) and I remember that the original 'Total Recall' extract was one of the highlights. I don't know the others although remember thinking highly of 'Chinatown' as a movie when it first came out.

Very cool, Jeffrey. 8) I try my best to find the original soundtracks. You need to get Rambo: First Blood. You really do. It’s outstanding. Other Goldsmith soundtracks I’m looking at: Alien, Logan’s Run, and Poltergeist.
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« Reply #1121 on: April 16, 2019, 07:12:57 AM »
Bought one more Goldsmith soundtrack:



I think this will be it for awhile as now I have 10 Goldsmith soundtracks on the way.
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« Reply #1122 on: April 16, 2019, 07:37:39 AM »
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Greetings!

I have been somewhat overwhelmed by assorted things recently, and so have had little time to drop by GMG.

This came up a few days ago: great news!

Sergei Bondarchuk's digitally restored, four-movie version of War and Peace, with the great score by the late Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov, will be available as of June 25th on Blu-Ray thanks to Criterion.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3DqanxfecIA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3DqanxfecIA</a>


See:

https://www.criterion.com/films/28891-war-and-peace

See also:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/movies/war-and-peace-bondarchuk-lincoln-center.html

Perhaps this restored version will catalyze interest in Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov's oeuvre in general, both concert works and the film scores.
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« Reply #1123 on: April 16, 2019, 11:13:23 AM »
From the Movie topic:

Perhaps this restored version will catalyze interest in Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov's oeuvre in general, both concert works and the film scores.
I very much hope so Leo - that release is great news.
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« Reply #1124 on: April 16, 2019, 11:16:29 AM »
Bought one more Goldsmith soundtrack:



I think this will be it for awhile as now I have 10 Goldsmith soundtracks on the way.

I have all the first three Alien scores. Alien (Goldsmith) and Aliens (Horner) are the best, especially 'Alien'. The other great score that I know by Goldsmith (I don't know 'Rambo' but will track it down) is 'Capricorn One', so I hope that is on your list John.
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« Reply #1125 on: April 16, 2019, 03:15:25 PM »
I have all the first three Alien scores. Alien (Goldsmith) and Aliens (Horner) are the best, especially 'Alien'. The other great score that I know by Goldsmith (I don't know 'Rambo' but will track it down) is 'Capricorn One', so I hope that is on your list John.
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It’s on my list now. ;) Kudos for mentioning it.
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« Reply #1126 on: April 16, 2019, 11:14:54 PM »
It’s on my list now. ;) Kudos for mentioning it.
:) I liked the film as well.
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« Reply #1127 on: July 13, 2019, 11:56:30 AM »
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Film directors Fritz Lang, Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau and Georg Wilhelm Pabst reigned on the german film scene during the era of silent movies. Lang’s Metropolis (1926) is a classic that is regularly presented in specialized theaters, either in b&w or in a colorized version. Pioneer film music composer Gottfried Huppertz composed the music to be played in the theater, meaning that a full symphony orchestra was on hand to play the 2 1/2 hour score during the film screening. Lang and Huppertz’ previous collaboration was for the 5 hour epic The Nibelungs, shot in two parts, Siegfried and Kriemhilds Rache (Kriemhild’s Vengeance).

When I first saw these films some 40-45 years ago it was assumed that they were silent films, period. Nowhere in the writings of the time (I had a few dictionaries of movies) was there any mention that a full symphony score existed. My 1976 edition of the Oxford Companion to Film fails to mention any music in the entries to Metropolis or Die Nibelungen. The Film Music entry devotes a short paragraph to silent film scores, with a mention of The Birth of a Nation or Abel Gance’s Napoléon, but none on composer Gottfried Huppertz. Silent films then were definitely silent. No recordings existed either, obviously. I would have been startled at the time to discover that Lang’s epic masterpieces were meant to be seen and heard with their own music music played by an actual orchestra!

Conductor Frank Strobel is an old hand at film music conducting. Here he has the fine Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra playing the score Huppertz composed. Well, not all of it. The team did record a 4 1/2 hour, 4 disc set of the whole shebang. This single disc presents a sensibly assembled 75 minutes selection. Similarly, the Metropolis score exists in full (2 1/2 hour) or abridged (77 minutes) compact disc releases. The full score heard shorn of the visuals is not a winning proposition IMO. A disc of excerpts works perfectly fine and this sumptuously produced disc makes a fine job of presenting some of The Nibelungs’ main scenes.

Scenarist Thea von Harbou (quite a character unto herself) went for the nordic saga characters and events, not Wagner’s adaptation, so we are not tempted to draw comparisons. What emerges is a fine post-romantic score with a nice sense of the film’s narrative. Huppertz was quite good with themes (none having any resemblance to the well-known Wagner leitmotifs), and his orchestration is very effective. Composers like Max Steiner, Erich Wolfgang Korngold and Franz Waxman learned their film music trade in part from Huppertz’ composing techniques.

I would now expect to see a DVD or theater screening with the full musical accompaniment. Lang clearly expected music to be played during the film screening. It’s quite a new paradigm.

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« Reply #1128 on: July 19, 2019, 11:58:49 PM »

About four years ago I became a huge fan of the works of Alfred Newman, Jerry Goldsmith, Bernard Herrmann, and Miklos Rozsa. Here are some of my favorite scores (I am happy to give CD and recording reccomendations upon demand):

Miklos Rozsa: Ben-Hur, Red House, El Cid, Sodom and Gomorrah, King of Kings, Double Indemnity.

Bernard Herrmann: Vertigo, Fahrenheit 451, North By Northwest.

Alfred Newman: Greatest Story Ever Told, The Robe, How the West Was Won, Keys of the Kingdom.

Jerry Goldsmith: Argh there are so many! Boys From Brazil, the Omens, Star Trek, Alien.



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« Reply #1129 on: July 20, 2019, 03:15:20 AM »
Bought one more Goldsmith soundtrack:



I think this will be it for awhile as now I have 10 Goldsmith soundtracks on the way.

The Intrada is such an incredible release; I also highly recommend "Freud" (Varese Sarabande) to hear the parts later interpolated into the Alien score. It's quite a fine score in itself as well, with shades of Bartok (very welcome shades imo).

Jerry is second only to Alfred Newman in my favorite film score composers.

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« Reply #1130 on: July 22, 2019, 11:50:58 PM »
The Intrada is such an incredible release; I also highly recommend "Freud" (Varese Sarabande) to hear the parts later interpolated into the Alien score. It's quite a fine score in itself as well, with shades of Bartok (very welcome shades imo).

Jerry is second only to Alfred Newman in my favorite film score composers.
Very much agree with your choices Andy although, on balance, I prefer Jerry to Alfred. The Alien special addition looks great but those Intrada releases are sometimes prohibitively expensive, over here at least. Ok, which is your recommendation for 'Ben Hur'?
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« Reply #1131 on: July 23, 2019, 04:00:29 AM »
Ben Hur might be my favorite! (Toss up between Greatest Story Ever Told and that one...Vertigo is up there, too).

I have the FSM deluxe edition (4 cds iirc) which feature the actual film soundtrack and some really interesting (i.e. play more than once) extras such as two excellent live performances. My absolute favorite, definitely.

But don't miss the re-recording by Tadlow, it is just plain stellar! The modern recording is terrific (no over compression evident) and the performances sound loving throughout.

If you love Ben Hur, do yourself a huge solid and grab both my friend.

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« Reply #1132 on: July 23, 2019, 10:21:19 PM »
Ben Hur might be my favorite! (Toss up between Greatest Story Ever Told and that one...Vertigo is up there, too).

I have the FSM deluxe edition (4 cds iirc) which feature the actual film soundtrack and some really interesting (i.e. play more than once) extras such as two excellent live performances. My absolute favorite, definitely.

But don't miss the re-recording by Tadlow, it is just plain stellar! The modern recording is terrific (no over compression evident) and the performances sound loving throughout.

If you love Ben Hur, do yourself a huge solid and grab both my friend.
Thanks v much Andy!
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« Reply #1133 on: July 25, 2019, 04:10:25 PM »
Bruno Nicolai is unjustly neglected:

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« Reply #1134 on: July 25, 2019, 04:13:58 PM »
Bruno Nicolai is unjustly neglected:

One of the Italian masters!

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« Reply #1135 on: August 05, 2019, 11:29:00 PM »
Bruno Nicolai is unjustly neglected:

Never heard of him. Must investigate. Thanks  :)
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« Reply #1136 on: August 05, 2019, 11:39:22 PM »
Never heard of him. Must investigate. Thanks  :)

Have you ever checked out lesser known scores by John Williams like Family Plot or The Fury? Both were somewhat influenced by Bernard Herrmann (in a delightful way), and great in their own way (Family Plot is comedy-mystery, while the Fury is out and out totally epic).

Speaking of Bernard, if you haven't heard the rerecording of Fahrenheit 451 by Stromberg you are missing out, my friend. Sounds terrific, and some feel that's the best thing Bernard ever did. A rerecording of "Obssession" is out there now too and is similarly outstanding.

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« Reply #1137 on: August 05, 2019, 11:52:12 PM »
It’s on my list now. ;) Kudos for mentioning it.

There's also Patton and Boys from Brazil, each amazing packaged and great sounding from Intrada.

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« Reply #1138 on: August 06, 2019, 01:49:30 AM »
It is surely influenced from Goldsmith's Omen but there is also its own voice

a less known composer

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« Reply #1139 on: August 06, 2019, 02:07:43 AM »
Have you ever checked out lesser known scores by John Williams like Family Plot or The Fury? Both were somewhat influenced by Bernard Herrmann (in a delightful way), and great in their own way (Family Plot is comedy-mystery, while the Fury is out and out totally epic).

Speaking of Bernard, if you haven't heard the rerecording of Fahrenheit 451 by Stromberg you are missing out, my friend. Sounds terrific, and some feel that's the best thing Bernard ever did. A rerecording of "Obssession" is out there now too and is similarly outstanding.
Too much to listen to - too little time!
The Fahrenheit 451 score especially interests me. My favourite BH scores are Noth by Northwest, The Ghost and Mrs Muir (a beautiful score), Jane Eyre. Another score I really like is Michel Legrand's for 'Wuthering Heights'.
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