Film (movie) Music

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DavidRoss

Good morning, Bill.  :) 8)

Quote from: jochanaan on August 19, 2008, 09:14:53 PM
So you don't find depth and power in Korngold's music.  Well, a lot of us do, including me.  So who is right? ??? :)
Well, a colorblind man is certainly right that there's no difference between red and green to him.
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karlhenning

Good morning, gents!

Quote from: Bogey on August 20, 2008, 04:40:06 AM
I also mentioned this one earlier David.  I would bet our friend Karl would dig this effort as well.  I will see if the shop down the road has an extra copy and get it to "The Pulse" pronto.

I remember seeing the movie on a transatlantic flight;  one of not many movies with DiCaprio which I genuinely enjoyed.  I don't carry any recollection of the musical component, but of course, a transatlantic flight is about the least desirable acoustic environment imaginable.

Quote from: DavidRoss on August 20, 2008, 04:46:48 AM
Well, a colorblind man is certainly right that there's no difference between red and green to him.

Surgically done, mon ami!

DavidRoss

"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

pjme

Filmscores can be magical - and those that I love have been mentioned already ( from Rozsa's vintage pseudo-biblical bombast  ( Thief of Bagdad is remarkable!)to Auric ( La belle et la bĂȘte) , Nino Rota ( Fellini et al;), Miles davis ( Ascenseur pour l'Ă©chafaud),Laurence Rosenthal/G.I. Gurdjieff ( Meetings with remarkable men), Dimitri Tiomkin ( Lost horizon),Chostakovitch (King Lear, Hamlet) etc .etc. As for more recent films : I havent' seen enough to comment or spot a trend.

I find film sound often too loud and disagreably overpowering ( in multiplex cinemas anyway)


Peter

karlhenning

Quote from: pjme on August 20, 2008, 08:01:53 AM
I find film sound often too loud and disagreably overpowering ( in multiplex cinemas anyway)

For that very reason, Peter, I have not been in a cinema for, I dunno, 15 years?

pjme

ah, I'm not alone!  :)

For " A lion in winter" ( 1968) John Barry wrote a "forceful" score - music that was very much "present" .

sound67

#146
Blah, blah, blah. The volume of music in multiplexes is not the film composer's fault.

The score for Dark Knight is by Hans Zimmer (Gladiator, see above) and James Newton Howard. No suprise it's cliched. Their music is not representative of the best in film music.

But even if it were, James would deny it just for the fun of it.

Thomas
"Vivaldi didn't compose 500 concertos. He composed the same concerto 500 times" - Igor Stravinsky

"Mozart is a menace to musical progress, a relic of rituals that were losing relevance in his own time and are meaningless to ours." - Norman Lebrecht

pjme

 And so it goes on and on and on ..... 0:) >:D

Peter

knight66

Quote from: pjme on August 20, 2008, 08:17:57 AM
ah, I'm not alone!  :)

For " A lion in winter" ( 1968) John Barry wrote a "forceful" score - music that was very much "present" .

Thanks for reminding me, I do enjoy this score, especially the opening title piece. Also, I don't think John Barry has so far been mentioned and a number of his scores were very effective, though I lost the plot as to just what he did or did not compose for the Bond films.

Mike
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DavidRoss

I liked Barry's scores for Dances with Wolves and Out of Africa--thought they contributed to the sense of space and scenic grandeur common to both films.  I see that he scored Walkabout, too--guess I'll have to attend to the music next time I see it.  I don't recall the music for A Lion in Winter at all--guess my attention is usally hostage to the brilliant dialogue, which is a notch or two above "Yo, Adrian" and "Hasta la vista, baby."
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Kullervo

Quote from: DavidRoss on August 20, 2008, 11:40:31 AM
I see that he scored Walkabout, too--guess I'll have to attend to the music next time I see it.

I just remember one theme that appeared throughout the movie, but not really a "score", per se. The theme is lovely, however.

karlhenning

What shall we hang, the holly or each other?

DavidRoss

John:  My God!  If I went up in flames there's not a living soul who'd piss on me to put the fire out.

Richard:  Let's strike a flint and see.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

karlhenning

The sky is pocked with stars. What eyes the wise men must have had to see a new one in so many.

pjme

Quote from: knight on August 20, 2008, 11:27:16 AM
Thanks for reminding me, I do enjoy this score, especially the opening title piece. Also, I don't think John Barry has so far been mentioned and a number of his scores were very effective, though I lost the plot as to just what he did or did not compose for the Bond films.

Mike

Hmm, I don't know either

I think of another lovely film, Richard Lester's "3 musketeers" - with Michel Legrand's opulent score . Fun & poetry can be combined. It's a pitty though the actors don't speak French....

Peter

knight66

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Mike
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Bogey

#156
Quote from: James on August 20, 2008, 10:16:51 AM
And film music is not the best representation of music. Period. 99.9999999 % of it is 3rd & 4th-rate crap & low-scale art. Making major claims for it's cogency is a joke. Entertaining, fine. Novelty value, sure. But truly profound music making? Never.

Hey James, how did you cut and paste your post from the old forum, as I thought it no longer accessible?  ;D 
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Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: sound67 on August 19, 2008, 10:39:04 PM
Since I'm very familiar with the process of film scoring I think I can on my own opinion in those cases as 2001, where that who?s and how?s of the process are fairly well known.

I'm sorry, but I haven't a clue what you're saying. But in any case no matter how "qualified" you claim to be you haven't a single thing to show for it. Unlike Kubrick and others.

QuoteOf course Kubrick doesn't need my help. If you noticed, he's been dead for quite a while. That doesn't mean he's beyond criticism.

I feel silly explaining this, but I didn't say Kubrick was still alive. ::) I was speaking figuratively to make a point. Sheesh!!

QuoteAnd your inane question about the Brahms Symphony clearly illustrates that you have no idea what you're talking about, since criticizing the symphony would involve criticizing the RESULT (which is done here every day, on compositons AND performances), not the process. Clearly, it is you who cannot differentiate between PROCESS and RESULT.

The only thing "inane" here is your constant flailing about in order to "prove" yourself.

QuoteIn the case of 2001, I criticzed BOTH, but you didn't notice. And I'm entitled to either. And you are, too, but if you feel you aren't because you consider yourself "less able", then that's entirely your thing.

Pardon me?? I DID notice! That's precisely why I'm here!!!!!!!!!

Kubrick went the direction he did - using the classical score - for the sole purpose of integrating the music into the fabric of the film. The two mediums (visuals and music) coexist to create a unified whole. It was an ingenious concept.

For you to claim Kubrick erred in doing this is akin to saying Brahms didn't know what he was doing when he, say, orchestrated his fourth symphony. Certainly Brahms, like Kubrick, isn't above critiquing but to suggest a total re-configuration of the heart of either work is preposterous! YOU haven't the qualifications.

The fact that Kubrick rejected the alternate score clearly suggests it didn't meet his needs. And TIME has proven him right!!!!!     



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

eyeresist

Quote from: James on August 19, 2008, 05:51:30 AM
Was there, or will there ever be a film writer who creates stuff that compares to Stravinsky, Bartok or Webern for instance? Ligeti? Debussy? Bach? etc? you know the real stuff? naaa never will happen, and is a non-starter from the get-go.

Quote from: James on August 19, 2008, 09:31:22 AM
Name me a film composer who's written something on the level of Bartok's String Quartets? Stravinsky's Symphony of Psalms? Webern's Symphony Op. 21? Ligeti's Piano Etudes? Bach's Art of Fugue? etc etc etc Go ahead!

Shostakovich. Prokofiev. Vaughan Williams. Herrmann.

Quote from: James on August 20, 2008, 10:16:51 AM
And film music is not the best representation of music. Period. 99.9999999 % of it is 3rd & 4th-rate crap & low-scale art. Making major claims for it's cogency is a joke. Entertaining, fine. Novelty value, sure. But truly profound music making? Never.

Actually, 99% of classical music was crap too. Fortunately, posterity has done much of the weeding work for us.


Quote from: karlhenning on August 19, 2008, 06:27:07 AM
But (to choose but one of these for an example), if we were evaluating Shostakovich solely on the film scores (let's pretend he wrote nothing else), would we call him a great composer?  I gravely doubt it.

What if we evaluated Tchaikovsky or Stravinsky solely by their ballets?

sound67

Quote from: donwyn on August 20, 2008, 08:18:40 PM
I haven't a clue ...

Exactly.

Thomas

P.S. @eyeresist - Give it up. James is beyond help, or hope. He just entered the thread to make everyone feel miserable about film music. That's always been his goal (see the old discussion board), it won't change.  ::)
"Vivaldi didn't compose 500 concertos. He composed the same concerto 500 times" - Igor Stravinsky

"Mozart is a menace to musical progress, a relic of rituals that were losing relevance in his own time and are meaningless to ours." - Norman Lebrecht