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sound67

#480
March 30, 2009, 05:56:31 AM
There's never been an official soundtrack of FIREFOX, neither am I aware of any "promo" release. AFAIR only part of the score was symphonic, right?

Thomas
"Vivaldi didn't compose 500 concertos. He composed the same concerto 500 times" - Igor Stravinsky

"Mozart is a menace to musical progress, a relic of rituals that were losing relevance in his own time and are meaningless to ours." - Norman Lebrecht

Bogey

#481
March 30, 2009, 05:58:49 AM
Quote from: sound67 on March 30, 2009, 05:56:31 AM
There's never been an official soundtrack of FIREFOX, neither am I aware of any "promo" release. AFAIR only part of the score was symphonic, right?

Thomas

To be honest, I have to rewatch the film.  I was wondering if there just was not enough material.  Kind of like how the combined two of Conti's here:

There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

Bogey

#482
March 30, 2009, 06:08:11 AM
Just scanned through the film quickly Thomas....not much music, but a handful of neat queues.
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

Sergeant Rock

#483
March 30, 2009, 06:09:56 AM
Quote from: Bogey on March 30, 2009, 05:58:49 AM


I confess I love that disc.  8)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Bogey

#484
March 30, 2009, 06:11:49 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 30, 2009, 06:09:56 AM
I confess I love that disc.  8)

Sarge

Much (I believe) of the Right Stuff music I have, but not the North and South.  When I cannot find it, I just put on Holst's Planets.  ;D
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

sound67

#485
March 30, 2009, 08:29:05 AM
... and Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto in D.  $:)

But "North and South" is a nice score.  :)

Thomas
"Vivaldi didn't compose 500 concertos. He composed the same concerto 500 times" - Igor Stravinsky

"Mozart is a menace to musical progress, a relic of rituals that were losing relevance in his own time and are meaningless to ours." - Norman Lebrecht

sound67

#486
March 31, 2009, 06:37:32 AM Last Edit: March 31, 2009, 06:53:33 AM by sound67


Very uneven performances of very uneven music.

I know this was praised to the skies (and beyond) by some film music reviewers, but as someone who is familiar with all of Lewis's film music output I must say that he is/was a minor film composer whose simplistic technique was greatly "improved on" by some of the orchestrators who worked for him, most notably Laurence Ashmore.

Part of the selections on this album were recorded with the (former East-)Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra in a series of catastrophic sessions brought about by the orchestra's lack of polish and enthusiasm for the music and by, truth be told, Michael J. Lewis inadequacies as a conductor. A friend of mine happened to be music supervisor on this one, trying to keep the expansive, and dreadfully nervous, Lewis in check (the producer himself could not be there, due to simultaneous sessions with Ron Goodwin in Odense, with a far happier outcome!). There are glaring mistakes in the Berlin cues, most obvious of all the fucked-up trumpet solo in "Caesar's Triumphant Return" from JULIUS CAESAR as well as untidy ensemble all over the place. There was rancor throughout the sessions; an orchestra spokesman approached my friend, pleading with him to "calm down and ease Lewis" - with the composer ranting about the "amateurishness" of the players. At one point it got so bad that Lewis stormed out during a session, and my friend (no experienced conductor either!) picked up the baton, ready to keep things going - but Lewis eventually returned.

The Berlin recording coincided with a live film music concert there, half of which featured Lewis's music. He himself conducted and confessed to my friend shortly before that he had never conducted in public - ever! As a result, he almost drowned in sweat even before the performance and his nervousness spilled over to the orchestra.

The remaining tracks are not all played by any "LA Ensemble", as claimed by Lewis, but are taken from the original soundtrack recordings, tapes of which Lewis was wise enough to keep. The whole CD was a kind of fraudulent enterprise, because Lewis was not allowed initially to use the Berlin tapes in his own release. Apparently, the producer and him came to some kind of mutual understanding later.

However, there are a few truly beautiful pieces, like the selections from THEATRE OF BLOOD (The Duel!) and UPON THIS ROCK - both, incidentally, orchestrated by Laurence Ashmore. Well, perhaps not quite so incidentally: After all, he helped out other composers a great deal, too - like Patrick Doyle on HENRY V. On those, he was MUCH more than just an orchestator. Lewis's own orchestrations, like FFOULKES or THE PASSAGE or the Theme from MADWOMAN OF CHAILLIOT, are hackneyed and simpleminded by comparison. The London recordings are much better played - London session musicians never needed an experienced conductor!

Thomas
"Vivaldi didn't compose 500 concertos. He composed the same concerto 500 times" - Igor Stravinsky

"Mozart is a menace to musical progress, a relic of rituals that were losing relevance in his own time and are meaningless to ours." - Norman Lebrecht

Kullervo

#487
April 04, 2009, 03:57:45 AM
A few years late, but I can't believe I never noticed it before.

http://cornonthekabob.ytmnd.com/

Benji

#488
April 04, 2009, 04:20:53 AM
Quote from: Corey on April 04, 2009, 03:57:45 AM
A few years late, but I can't believe I never noticed it before.

http://cornonthekabob.ytmnd.com/

Make sure to have your speakers turned on folks, otherwise you'll be staring at it and wondering what the hell it means...  :-[

sound67

#489
April 17, 2009, 06:05:15 AM Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 08:05:45 AM by sound67


RAIDERS is not about the rather tepid "Raider's March" - it's about the sublime "The Map Room - Dawn" and the exciting "The Miracle of the Ark"!!!

I must say that I find the ignorance cum arrogance on film music on this board rather revolting - particularly since even more enlightened souls like Karl tend to poop on it - whose own music  I'm afraid (he sent me a link once) is asinine in comparison to Williams at his best. Sorry, Karl.

Thomas
"Vivaldi didn't compose 500 concertos. He composed the same concerto 500 times" - Igor Stravinsky

"Mozart is a menace to musical progress, a relic of rituals that were losing relevance in his own time and are meaningless to ours." - Norman Lebrecht

DavidRoss

#490
April 17, 2009, 06:17:05 AM
Oh, my.  :o
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

vandermolen

#491
April 17, 2009, 06:34:21 AM
Maurice Jarre's music for 'Jesus of Nazareth' (TV series) was very good - oddly like Martinu in places.

I've been listening to Copland's 'Music from the Movies' - a wonderfully inspiriting score.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Benji

#492
April 17, 2009, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: sound67 on April 17, 2009, 06:05:15 AM


RAIDERS is not about the rather tepid "Raider's March" - it's about the sublime "The Map Room - Dawn" and the exciting "The Miracle of the Ark"!!!

I must say that I find the ignorance cum arrogance on film music on this board rather revolting - particularly since even more enlightened souls like Karl tend to poop on it - whose own music  I'm afraid (he sent me a link once) is asinine in comparison to Williams at his best. Sorry, Karl.

Thomas

Raiders is an awesome score, from the height of JW's powers in the early 80s. I love the two cues you mentioned, plus the witty basket game cue. Did you pick up the recent extended edition, Thomas?

Bogey

#493
April 18, 2009, 01:28:32 PM
Quote from: sound67 on April 17, 2009, 06:05:15 AM


RAIDERS is not about the rather tepid "Raider's March" - it's about the sublime "The Map Room - Dawn" and the exciting "The Miracle of the Ark"!!!

Thomas

And finally back in print.  I have the original pressing and it would be interesting to compare the two.  Actually, the first three scores for this Jones run are excellent.  I need to pick up Temple of Doom (the film was dreadful) now that it is in print as well.

Quote from: sound67 on April 17, 2009, 06:05:15 AM

I must say that I find the ignorance cum arrogance on film music on this board rather revolting - particularly since even more enlightened souls like Karl tend to poop on it - whose own music  I'm afraid (he sent me a link once) is asinine in comparison to Williams at his best. Sorry, Karl.

Thomas

I agree with a partial of this component of your post,Thomas and that is comparing Karl to Johnny at his best.  ;) 

I enjoy both their music for different reasons, and when Williams steps outside of his "box" from time to time (ie Catch Me If You Can), then he does begin to explore Karl's range.  So ends my comparisons.

....but we measure ourselves by ourselves, and compare ourselves with ourselves. 2 Corinthians 10:12
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

vandermolen

#494
May 16, 2009, 06:56:46 AM
This is a great CD. Extracts from Jason and the Argonauts exist on various Bernard Herrmann compilations but this CD has transformed my appreciation of this music, which cries out for a modern recording:

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Bogey

#495
May 16, 2009, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 16, 2009, 06:56:46 AM
This is a great CD. Extracts from Jason and the Argonauts exist on various Bernard Herrmann compilations but this CD has transformed my appreciation of this music, which cries out for a modern recording:



Did not know that this was available.  Thanks for posting!
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

vandermolen

#496
May 16, 2009, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: Bogey on May 16, 2009, 12:25:24 PM
Did not know that this was available.  Thanks for posting!

My pleasure - I wasn't aware of it myself until a couple of days ago and I have now played it through a couple of times with much pleasure. It includes music which was not used in the finished movie (like the poetic introduction to the reprise of the main theme in the closing titles).
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#497
May 16, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
Quote from: Bogey on May 16, 2009, 12:25:24 PM
Did not know that this was available.  Thanks for posting!

ps Jason and the Argonauts was a 1999 release on Intrada - it has good, detailed notes and some nice photos and drawings from the movie.

pps congratulations on reaching over 5000 posts on the forum!
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Bogey

#498
May 17, 2009, 06:36:48 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 16, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
ps Jason and the Argonauts was a 1999 release on Intrada - it has good, detailed notes and some nice photos and drawings from the movie.

pps congratulations on reaching over 5000 posts on the forum!

Well, I need to check its availability.....and 5000, which means only about 50 were worth reading. ;D
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

vandermolen

#499
May 18, 2009, 12:21:11 AM
Quote from: Bogey on May 17, 2009, 06:36:48 AM
Well, I need to check its availability.....and 5000, which means only about 50 were worth reading. ;D

Not true :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).
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