Friedrich Cerha (1926)

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MDL

#20
July 25, 2009, 03:34:14 PM Last Edit: July 26, 2009, 10:51:51 AM by MDL
Quote from: petrArch on August 15, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
His Spiegel cycle (7 pieces) is fantastic, especially I-IV.

I heard and taped three of the Spiegel pieces broadcast by BBC3, of course, in the '80s and really enjoyed them, but thought that they were a bit second-tier Ligeti and Penderecki. In 2001, I got hold of the complete set via Amazon (it's never been released in the UK). I think most of the pieces are still worth hearing, but, some amazing moments aside, none them are as good as Atmospheres or Threnody.

some guy

#21
August 11, 2009, 07:03:49 PM
petrArch, I just got that 12 CD set myself the other day. I won't have time to listen to it all before I leave for Europe (8 festivals in 12 weeks!), but I've been enjoying what I've heard so far. I particularly like the Klangkompositionen.

How've you been enjoying that set?

petrarch

#22
August 12, 2009, 04:21:35 AM
Quote from: some guy on August 11, 2009, 07:03:49 PM
petrArch, I just got that 12 CD set myself the other day. I won't have time to listen to it all before I leave for Europe (8 festivals in 12 weeks!), but I've been enjoying what I've heard so far. I particularly like the Klangkompositionen.

How've you been enjoying that set?

I like it a lot, except perhaps for Baal, but then I tend not to like that sort of vocal music.
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#23
February 26, 2010, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: some guy on August 11, 2009, 07:03:49 PM
petrArch, I just got that 12 CD set myself the other day. I won't have time to listen to it all before I leave for Europe (8 festivals in 12 weeks!), but I've been enjoying what I've heard so far. I particularly like the Klangkompositionen.

How've you been enjoying that set?

Someguy and petrArch - Where did you get your sets from? The only source I find is Amazon.de from a secondary seller.  Thanks
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petrarch

#24
February 27, 2010, 04:43:15 AM
Quote from: UB on February 26, 2010, 11:52:12 PM
Someguy and petrArch - Where did you get your sets from? The only source I find is Amazon.de from a secondary seller.  Thanks

I got mine directly from ORF's website.
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some guy

#25
February 27, 2010, 10:23:58 AM
So did I.

petrarch

#26
June 26, 2010, 02:47:01 AM
Just found this at a store. Haven't heard it in full yet (still away traveling), but it does have some early works by Cerha that sound interesting from a quick scan.

http://shop.orf.at/orf/shop.tmpl?art=536


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#27
October 16, 2011, 01:51:49 AM
Got these two in the mail yesterday. Listening to the first one at the moment. This new recording of Spiegel sounds cleaner and less diffuse than the one on Col Legno, although the older recording sounds more 'organic' to my ears and has the tape much more in evidence. And once again it reminded me how I truly enjoy it--a good complement to the great orchestral textures of Ligeti, Scelsi and Penderecki.

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snyprrr

#28
December 14, 2011, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: petrarch on October 16, 2011, 01:51:49 AM
Got these two in the mail yesterday. Listening to the first one at the moment. This new recording of Spiegel sounds cleaner and less diffuse than the one on Col Legno, although the older recording sounds more 'organic' to my ears and has the tape much more in evidence. And once again it reminded me how I truly enjoy it--a good complement to the great orchestral textures of Ligeti, Scelsi and Penderecki.

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I'm considering Spiegel. Which one again?

some guy

#29
December 14, 2011, 10:43:28 PM
Quote from: petrarch on August 12, 2009, 04:21:35 AM
I like it a lot, except perhaps for Baal, but then I tend not to like that sort of vocal music.
Just listened to this again. I've been going through my CDs according to a simple randomisation. It forces me to listen to things I don't particularly like, like Baal.

The payoff is that sometimes I find I'm really digging the thing I didn't used to like, like Baal.

Anyway, I'm just glad I like it now. I like liking things better than not liking things.

(Or, as Cage put it in that performance of Waterwalk on youtube, "I prefer laughter to crying.")

snyprrr

#30
December 15, 2011, 06:16:40 AM
Which Spiegel should I get?

some guy

#31
December 15, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
The one petrarch got.

It's a two CD set with Monumentum and Momente as well. Can't be beat.

There are other recordings of Monumentum, but this is the only one of Momente I know of.

petrarch

#32
December 15, 2011, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on December 15, 2011, 06:16:40 AM
Which Spiegel should I get?

Both :). The one on Col Legno is a favorite and there are discernible differences between that one and the one on Kairos, namely the burbly sounds on tape in Spiegel IV on the earlier release. The latter is good because it is a pristine modern recording, on SACD, and for the first time I thought that Spiegel VII at realistic sound levels would bring down the house.
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#34
December 16, 2011, 07:25:18 AM
Quote from: petrarch on December 15, 2011, 06:04:49 PM
Both :). The one on Col Legno is a favorite and there are discernible differences between that one and the one on Kairos, namely the burbly sounds on tape in Spiegel IV on the earlier release. The latter is good because it is a pristine modern recording, on SACD, and for the first time I thought that Spiegel VII at realistic sound levels would bring down the house.

The new Kairos offers clearer, more detailed sound and comes with extensive notes, although I'm still hanging on to my old CL recording which has its moments.

snyprrr

#35
May 14, 2014, 06:50:02 PM
Still haven't gotten 'Spiegel'. :(

Mandryka

#37
September 02, 2022, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: petrarch on August 15, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
His Spiegel cycle (7 pieces) is fantastic, especially I-IV.

A comment made 14 years ago! But I wonder why you singled out the first four.
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Mandryka

#38
September 02, 2022, 12:03:50 AM
Can anyone share with me recordings of the Langegger Nachtmusik I - III? There was one in the ORF Dokumente box but that has now become impossible to find (though there's one at an affordable price in the States, if anyone wants to do a deal with me for it.)
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petrarch

#39
September 02, 2022, 05:11:16 AM
Quote from: Mandryka on September 02, 2022, 12:01:16 AM
A comment made 14 years ago! But I wonder why you singled out the first four.

I meant I-IV as an arc, as IV is the highpoint of the cycle for me.

Quote from: Mandryka on September 02, 2022, 12:03:50 AM
Can anyone share with me recordings of the Langegger Nachtmusik I - III? There was one in the ORF Dokumente box but that has now become impossible to find (though there's one at an affordable price in the States, if anyone wants to do a deal with me for it.)

I have the box and will rip those works shortly. It only has I and III, not II.
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