McCain Veep Is Woman

[ezodisy]

If the Dems. keep cutting away at Palin in the manner they have done in the past two days, I just might switch my vote.

I'm not sure if you're jokingg about this Don? Surely public announcements of any sort cannot change your opinion if it's based on fundamentals?

[flyingdutchman]

Of course not, jbuck, as you would know if you were capable of reading my posts without twisting them through the distorting prism of your bigoted point of view.  But as you have demonstrated for years, here and on CMG, your mind is utterly closed, impervious to fact, unwilling to give fair consideration to other points of view, and therefore condemns you to perpetual hypocritical self-righteousness that makes thoughtful discussion of ANY issue impossible. 

I'm not who you think I am, Mr. Ross.  If you think I am John, you are totally mistaken.

[DavidRoss]

I'm not sure if you're jokingg about this Don? Surely public announcements of any sort cannot change your opinion if it's based on fundamentals?

This seems to go directly to fundamentals.  The more the Democratic partisans attack Palin for insufficient qualifying experience for the VP job, the more questions that should raise about their nominee's lack of qualifying experience for the Presidency.

[DavidRoss]

I'm not who you think I am, Mr. Ross.  If you think I am John, you are totally mistaken.

Then I am mistaken and apologize for my error.

[ezodisy]

This seems to go directly to fundamentals.  The more the Democratic partisans attack Palin for insufficient qualifying experience for the VP job, the more questions that should raise about their nominee's lack of qualifying experience for the Presidency.

Well I don't know much about "their nominee's lack of qualifying experience...", but isn't the Democratic attack just confirming the fundamentals about Palin?

[Homo Aestheticus]

This seems to go directly to fundamentals.  The more the Democratic partisans attack Palin for insufficient qualifying experience for the VP job, the more questions that should raise about their nominee's lack of qualifying experience for the Presidency.

No. McCain's choice of Palin for VP is insulting, plain and simple. If he shows so little regard in choosing the person who could be president, how can he be trusted with other vital decisions? To choose someone with so little experience should give both critics and supporters pause.

McCain is obviously desperate.

[flyingdutchman]

No. McCain's choice of Palin for VP is insulting, plain and simple. If he shows so little regard in choosing the person who could be president, how can he be trusted with other vital decisions? To choose someone with so little experience should give both critics and supporters pause.

McCain is obviously desperate.

Exactly what the experts are saying.

[DavidRoss]

Well I don't know much about "their nominee's lack of qualifying experience...", but isn't the Democratic attack just confirming the fundamentals about Palin?

That is the point.  Palin's "fundamentals" in terms of qualifying experience are no worse than--and in some respects better than--Obama's. 

Exactly what the experts are saying.

"Experts?"  The correct term is "partisan demagogues." 

[johnQpublic]

 
"Experts?"  The correct term is "partisan demagogues." 

Rats!! Beat me to it!! 

[Homo Aestheticus]

That is the point.  Palin's "fundamentals" in terms of qualifying experience are no worse than--and in some respects better than--Obama's. 

Better than Obama ? Oh sure. And just what we need: a gun-toting, homophobic, creationist, anti-abortion, un-known Governor with no foreign policy experience. She'll continue to help our position on the "world stage".

[flyingdutchman]

That is the point.  Palin's "fundamentals" in terms of qualifying experience are no worse than--and in some respects better than--Obama's. 
"Experts?"  The correct term is "partisan demagogues." 

Hardly.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html

Politico itself is considered to be on the "right" side of things.

[DavidRoss]

Better than Obama ? Oh sure. And just what we need: a gun-toting, homophobic, creationist, anti-abortion, un-known Governor with no foreign policy experience. She'll continue to help our position on the "world stage".

You're new here and I hardly know you, having encountered you only once before, but the way you just framed the issues proclaims loud and clear that you are a bigot, unwilling to have a reasonable dialogue about the candidates' experience and how/whether it qualifies them for the offices they seek.

[DavidRoss]

Hardly.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html

Politico itself is considered to be on the "right" side of things.

Vandhei and Harris are not experts, they're journalists, and by rushing into print with such hasty conclusions they've only underscored their lack of expertise and judgment.  Everything in the article you linked to attempts to portray Palin, McCain, and the decision in the worst possible light.  I think that a reasonable assessment would have to consider both the good and the bad and look beyond these superficial generalizations.  I look forward to getting to know more about Palin and getting a sense of who she is--for that is what may have decided McCain, and that is certainly what will determine whether this was a wise choice or a foolish one.

For what it's worth (nothing in your eyes, I expect) about a month ago I looked at the electoral map and thought that McCain would have to win virtually every state where the contest is expected to be close in order to win the election.  Given the tenor of the times, that seems very unlikely unless Obama makes a horrifying misstep the day before the ballots are cast.  I think it will be very interesting to see over the next few weeks what difference, if any, Governor Palin's candidacy makes.  If she's given a national platform and turns out to be a force to be reckoned with, thus vindicating McCain's judgment, Obama might not have this election in the bag after all.

[flyingdutchman]

You're new here and I hardly know you, having encountered you only once before, but the way you just framed the issues proclaims loud and clear that you are a bigot, unwilling to have a reasonable dialogue about the candidates' experience and how/whether it qualifies them for the offices they seek.

Gee, David, you sure throw around terms like "bigot" around freely don't you.  What's next?  Going to call me a racist or liberal toady?  As I have seen frequently, as an observer to these boards, you certainly can't be accused of having reasonable dialogue--you come across as fairly closed-minded and Palin seems to fit in with your clear right of center views.  Palin only appeals to what is clearly the religious right who support the NRA, oppose abortion, and thinks themselves a maverick.

[DavidRoss]

Gee, David, you sure throw around terms like "bigot" around freely don't you.  What's next?  Going to call me a racist or liberal toady?  As I have seen frequently, as an observer to these boards, you certainly can't be accused of having reasonable dialogue--you come across as fairly closed-minded and Palin seems to fit in with your clear right of center views.  Palin only appeals to what is clearly the religious right who support the NRA, oppose abortion, and thinks themselves a maverick.

No, I don't toss the term "bigot" around freely, but only use it where it clearly applies.  Most bigots don't think of themselves as such, because they think their prejudices are justified, thus are blind to their true natures.

From merriam-webster's on-line dictionary:
Bigot
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

[Don]

I'm not sure if you're jokingg about this Don? Surely public announcements of any sort cannot change your opinion if it's based on fundamentals?

At the moment I'm concerned with the moral character of both political parties.  Since I don't have to make a choice until Nov. 4, I have the luxury of mulling these matters over in my mind for a few more weeks. 

The primary reason I usually vote for democrats for president is that I very much disagree with the Republican Party's economic "top-down" philosophy.  However, there are many other issues to consider, and I've never been a one-issue voter.

Concerning the notion of who are the "experts", I am the expert for my vote.

[Don]

Well I don't know much about "their nominee's lack of qualifying experience...", but isn't the Democratic attack just confirming the fundamentals about Palin?

I think the Democratic attack on Palin is exaggerated and sometimes bogus.  The only way that she's less qualified than Obama is that she hasn't had the primary campaign to "toughen-up".  He was a community organizer - she was the Mayor of a small Alaskan town.  He was a Senator for a couple of years - she was a Governer.  Can't see how he would come across as more experienced than Palin.

[Homo Aestheticus]

I think the Democratic attack on Palin is exaggerated and sometimes bogus.  The only way that she's less qualified than Obama is that she hasn't had the primary campaign to "toughen-up".  He was a community organizer - she was the Mayor of a small Alaskan town.  He was a Senator for a couple of years - she was a Governer.  Can't see how he would come across as more experienced than Palin.

I am no great fan of Obama but can we at least agree that the man has a much finer intellect and is more cosmopolitan than Palin?

[Brian]

I am no great fan of Obama but can we at least agree that the man has a much finer intellect and is more cosmopolitan than Palin?

I don't know, I bet moose tastes better than foie gras.

[johnQpublic]

but can we at least agree that the man has a much finer intellect and is more cosmopolitan than Palin?

For a right-sided view of using code words like "intellect" and "cosmopolitan"



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