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Quote from: 71 dB on May 10, 2023, 01:57:07 AMWhat I used to do at work when I needed to drive somewhere I drove "virtually" the route in Google Maps (which of course also showed the route from A to B) street view!
Quote from: 71 dB on May 10, 2023, 02:55:00 AMLooking into the 7th or the Trickster function (Fe):
Quote from: greg on May 13, 2023, 07:14:17 AMThis is actually accurate for me.Maybe I am actually an INTJ after all?
Quote from: greg on May 13, 2023, 07:14:17 AMIn OPS they say I am an INTJ jumper (Ni/Fi), but every online MBTI test says INTP. So seems like I have the same sort of quandary as you.
Quote from: greg on May 13, 2023, 07:14:17 AMFor Fe trickster, I have a question for you- have you ever considered other people's tastes to be like some sort of joke? Like with music genre tastes, or with attraction to people (it's always been hard to even conceive of the fact that girls like guys because I don't understand the attraction behind that- almost seems like it's not even a real thing, like they are faking it, even though it's obviously not true).
Quote from: greg on May 13, 2023, 07:14:17 AMNow I am also wondering what your Attitudinal Psyche type is now lol. Maybe will have to ask you some questions eventually, IMO is the easiest system to type people in luckily. But I like that system more than MBTI, despite far less information about it.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 14, 2023, 02:00:41 AMISTJs have the same tricker function Fe.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 14, 2023, 02:00:41 AM"Stack jumping" is a new concept for me. The INTJ/INTP confusion seems to be very common for some reason. I think it is because understanding the cognitive functions and how they work together is challenging. For INTPs the trickster function is Se. Very different from INTJs and ISTJs...
Quote from: 71 dB on May 14, 2023, 02:00:41 AMI have found the preferences of other people often weird, but getting into personality types has helped me to understand not only myself but other people much better. I understand better how people can be different.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 14, 2023, 02:00:41 AMI don't want to go into other systems before understanding MBTI fully.
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMI'm definitely not an ISTJ. Off the charts in both intuition and introversion, but thinking/feeling and perceiving/judging is more balanced.
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMMainly, with thinking and feeling, I am deeply both at the same time, and MBTI makes a coin (originally based on Jung's thinking of dichotomies) where you can't be both at the same time. But in both AP and enneagram, there is no such coin so it feels like those systems describe me better.
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMAlso looked up what is the Critical Parent function of INTJ's, and that is Ti. One video mentioned that this means this type of person will typically ask others for their source, and I don't do that. Doing that is something typical of enneagram 6's and 1L or 3L or in AP. I will always rely on my own judgement and logic over "proof," so technically that means I'm prioritizing Ti over Te.
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMYeah, it's a big debate in MBTI whether "looping" is a thing."Looping" being using your third function in place of your second on a normal basis.ex: INTJ's normally Ni/Te, but a looper would be Ni/Fi
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMIn MBTI, it either doesn't exist or is an indication of poor mental health (like an echo chamber for two introverted functions, or being closed off from one's own mind if two extraverted functions).(In OPS it's considered perfectly normal and not unhealthy, which is a big reason why I favor that system).
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMYeah, it's like viewing the config file of other people's head-machines, it's interesting to observe.
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMHaha yep, ok Mr.Enneagram 5.I get it, I also like to explore one thing to the depths before moving on to the next topic, otherwise it's overwhelming. It's like a jarring interruption. The other head types (6 and 7) can switch gears more easily, but their understanding of things tends to be more shallow.
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 09:46:34 AMI bet you even do a lot of zoning out while thinking for your body language, and hate being interrupted.Also, with your next post, seems to back up my guess of 513 for your tritype- that's triple competency! So yeah, I can imagine competency being a big theme in your life. Anyways, sorry for mentioning enneagram as that's a bit jarring, but I think of it as leaving out bread crumbs that you for later, after you mentally conquer MBTI lol, you absolutely don't have to think about that now and respond to it.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 14, 2023, 03:23:19 PMMaybe the "pure" INTJs are those whose Ni consults less the shadow functions down in the stack?They would use mostly Ni, Te and Fi while INTP-"looking" Ne-Ti-Fe-Si stuff would stay mostly out of the way. I don't consider myself "pure" INTJ and I thing the lower stack in good and bad is quite active in me.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 14, 2023, 03:23:19 PMThe use of critical parent is linked to situations arguing and emotional disagreement, when things heat up. I don't ask for other people's sources either, unless I am frustrated, I want to "win" and I am on thin ice. That's when I might ask: "What's your damn source and evidence for those wild claims?" However, INTJs don't do it when they are calm and know they can win the debate.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 14, 2023, 03:23:19 PMThe dominant and auxiliary functions work together so seemingly that it can be difficult to tell them apart. You might feel you are using Ti, but you are actually using the combination of Ni and Te that only looks Ti to you. The personal "own" stuff comes from Ni. Te creates the plan how you can implement your personal vision in the real world. If you are using Ti, you are not even interested to carry out ideas in the real world, because them existing inside your head is enough for you (INTPs).
Quote from: greg on May 14, 2023, 07:38:55 PM1. Ha, that is one way to make a distinction, like a spectrum of usage rather than a binary usage of functions.2. Ahhh ok gotcha.Then I'm probably the same, would only say that if pushed far enough.In enneagram terms, this I think would be 5 leaning on their 6 wing as a backup plan. 3. This is a really good point, and points more to me being an INTJ, because I very much would prefer my ideas to enter the real world.I actually like your distinction of Ti and Te- seems there is some disagreement about what Te is actually doing from source to source, which is throwing me off. I think I will go with your interpretation.
Quote from: 71 dB on May 15, 2023, 03:19:53 AM1. Personality types are about the preferences. Everybody can use all of the 8 cognitive functions, but depending on how our brains are "wired", using certain functions is easier to us than others. My INTJ brain is good at (wired to) analysing the underlying logic and patterns in the external World meaning I don't lose much mental energy doing that, but the same brain is badly wired for handling social situations and sensory data and that's why I lose mental energy very fast when I have to interact with a group of people or my senses are overstimulated. No wonder I prefer being alone or with only a couple of close people rather than taking my ass to situations where masses have been summoned. No wonder I prefer listening to music home alone instead of going to concerts! No wonder I don't have a need to travel. Personality types explain so much! Anyway, no two INTJs have their brain wired exactly the same way. It's just that INTJs have brains that are closest to the "wiring model" named INTJ. The same, of course, goes for the other 15 types.2. Yeah, the bottom functions manifest themselves in stressful situations were our top functions can't fully handle the situation. It is our dark side to use some Star Wars terminology. It is about becoming someone we don't think we are.3. Well thanks! Nice if I could help you clarify things. I think I am a frustrated INTJ, because I feel I can't push my ideas out to the World (the World seems to be ready for new ideas only when there is money to make and otherwise traditions are valued over new concepts). I am also very disappointed about how the World has turned out in the 21st century. Instead of increased wisdom and knowledge we have social media brainwashed ignorants. Instead of peace on Earth we have wars. Instead of having solved problems with technology we have created new problems with it. Instead of having more democracy we see more and more countries moving toward dictatorship. Now I understand why the World as it is today is so disappointed to me: As an INTJ I envisioned the 21st century decades ago, but I was too young and naive to make realistic predictions. Sensors on the other hand never thought about the future, so they had zero expectations to compare the World with. These and many other negative experiences in life have made me skeptical about how realistic it is to push my ideas to the World and that has perhaps triggered those INTP-like "dark side"* features in me. I have adapted to be like an INTP because that's when I don't have an urge to push my ideas out to the World or achieve much, but that doesn't change the fact that my brain is ultimately wired to be an INTJ. I have developed very detailed fantasies were I have the power to "do me" and shape the reality around me exactly as I want it to be. If this theory is correct, it would explain why I have felt so confused about my identity for the last 20 years or so. Knowing INTJ is the "true me" helps a lot. I know what parts of me are manifestation of negative experiences, frustrations and disappointments.* Those are "dark side" features for INTJs. For INTP they are default features of course.That's all I'll write for now as I have a damn job application to do!
Quote from: greg on September 28, 2023, 03:49:54 PMLydianHalf-Whole Diminished
Quote from: greg on September 28, 2023, 03:49:54 PMThese scales: A A# B D# E FA A# B C# D D# F F# G(idk the name)
Quote from: greg on September 28, 2023, 03:49:54 PMregardless, the tritone is my interval.
Quote from: greg on September 29, 2023, 03:01:40 PMOh nice, thanks for looking them up, now I know their names!
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