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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #900 on: January 19, 2021, 10:57:07 AM »
Motivated by discussion on another thread, I pulled out a vinyl copy of "Sir Thomas Beecham-Music of Delius" I bought used some time ago. Inside I discovered an undated page removed from a copy of the magazine "Southern Living". I thought it might be of interest to Delius fans here.
Isn't that fun when you find old articles in LPs or books?  :)

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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #901 on: January 19, 2021, 11:19:00 AM »
Beecham's wife was pianist on a recording they made together.

At one time I visited a specialist of music for films record shop in Brighton. The only occasion in donkey years of collecting that an owner of a vinyl emporium actually gave me a record as he liked it so much. He is right the Jean Pougnet Delius VC is one of the finest Delius recordings.


Awww!  How kind and special!  Were you by any chance a youngster then?  :)

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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #902 on: January 19, 2021, 11:21:14 AM »
Motivated by discussion on another thread, I pulled out a vinyl copy of "Sir Thomas Beecham-Music of Delius" I bought used some time ago. Inside I discovered an undated page removed from a copy of the magazine "Southern Living". I thought it might be of interest to Delius fans here.

Tony - nice find! Southern Living is a popular magazine around these parts, so did a search and could not tract down that article which you already posted - BUT, came across another one on the JSTOR Website of an 18 page article (see pics below) on Delius in America - published in Jul 1971 in 'The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography' - a bunch of options (paid and not) to read the feature; I was able to setup a 'free' account using my academic credentials and read it - a lot on the Florida orange industry in the late 19th century around Jacksonville (as one would expect) - the second part of the first trip was spent briefly in Danville, VA (just over an hour from me near the NC border) - Dave :)

 


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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #903 on: January 19, 2021, 12:15:04 PM »
Quite interesting. I knew that there was a Delius festival, but I’m not a member of the Delius Society, so I’m not sure what the frequency of these festivals have been in years past. Also, I doubt I would’ve gone anyway as usually the sun is rather unforgiving to my pasty skin. :) Although, it would certainly be awesome to meet other fans in real life and converse with them about the man and his music.

I found this link while trying to date the article.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjf-fG556juAhW0FVkFHWI6DSYQFjAAegQIAxAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthompsonian.info%2Fdelfest.html&usg=AOvVaw213SMdLAQkBBbFWMVa6315
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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #905 on: January 19, 2021, 01:24:55 PM »
@Mirror Image, I hope you'll see the humor in this, as I mean no offense. But this post from a year ago reads quite funny in light of your new avatar:



:laugh: In any case I'm glad you now count yourself among the admirers! I too once disliked Delius's music, but now greatly enjoy it, when in the right mood.

Edit: Reading back a little further, I can see we've already had this conversation last year. Sorry to bring it up again.

Anyway, I never realized there was a Delius house in Jacksonville. If I'd known Delius's music when I lived in Tallahassee, I'm sure I'd have already made that pilgrimage. Still would be interesting to see.
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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #906 on: January 19, 2021, 02:33:47 PM »
 :o :o :o :o  :o

Absolutely! He loved African American music. In fact, it was the singing of Black spirituals that inspired him to become a composer. He heard this music when he was in Florida (where he owned an orange plantation) and he heard this music from the workers on his plantation. He would hear them sing and this echoed down the river while Delius sat on his porch in the evening hours. It was also in the US where he received his first actual music lessons from a man named Thomas Ward with whom he said later on that he learned more from him than anything he learned from the Leipzig Conservatory where he studied not long after leaving the US. It was Delius’ father who gave him the financial support in order to study in Leipzig, but the most interesting aspect of this was that none other than Edvard Grieg (who became a friend and supporter of Delius upon hearing his Florida Suite) was the one who convinced his doubting father that young Frederick’s true calling was not taking over the Delius wool business, but as a composer. Anyway, I see I’m getting away from you initial question, which I believe I already answered. ;) ;D


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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #907 on: January 19, 2021, 02:44:43 PM »
@Mirror Image, I hope you'll see the humor in this, as I mean no offense. But this post from a year ago reads quite funny in light of your new avatar:



He changes his mind as frequently as his avatars.  ;)
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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #908 on: January 19, 2021, 03:08:37 PM »
@Mirror Image, I hope you'll see the humor in this, as I mean no offense. But this post from a year ago reads quite funny in light of your new avatar:



:laugh: In any case I'm glad you now count yourself among the admirers! I too once disliked Delius's music, but now greatly enjoy it, when in the right mood.

Edit: Reading back a little further, I can see we've already had this conversation last year. Sorry to bring it up again.

Anyway, I never realized there was a Delius house in Jacksonville. If I'd known Delius's music when I lived in Tallahassee, I'm sure I'd have already made that pilgrimage. Still would be interesting to see.

Hah! I had forgotten about that particular post. Actually, I have written even more nasty things about Delius prior to that post (good luck digging those up :P). Anyway, I’ve never had a composer tear me from one side to another quite like Delius. I know the problem is completely my own of course. I’m sure there are many composers with whom someone enjoys one week and finds absolutely no enjoyment in the next week. I think he’s an exceptionally fine composer, but he does have some weaknesses and I think a lot of the time it comes from the lack of formal structure in the music, which I did touch on in that old post of mine. He’s a rhapsodic composer and composes music with a stream-of-consciousness, which while unique to him, it makes it sometimes difficult to understand where exactly he’s going and the fact that he uses this type of writing style in so many pieces makes each work difficult to distinguish from each other. He’s definitely a mood composer for sure and someone I can’t listen to for long periods of time, but I do think he’s a fascinating figure in 20th Century music.
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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #909 on: January 19, 2021, 03:09:04 PM »
He changes his mind as frequently as his avatars.  ;)

QFT. I can’t refute the truth! ;D
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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #910 on: January 19, 2021, 03:11:15 PM »
:o :o :o :o  :o

Uh oh...I hope I didn’t say something stupid. :-[
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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #911 on: January 19, 2021, 04:39:19 PM »
QFT. I can’t refute the truth! ;D

Great pic of Béla. Do you happen to know when it was taken?

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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #912 on: January 19, 2021, 04:45:49 PM »
Great pic of Béla. Do you happen to know when it was taken?

Some time in the 40s. I’m not sure of the exact year, but here’s the full photo (w/ conductor Fritz Reiner):

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« Reply #913 on: August 02, 2021, 01:40:08 PM »
link to the chapter on this complex composer by deceased writer/philosopher Colin Wilson from his book, On Music from 1963 - enjoy

https://www.mediafire.com/file/8d84bd73km9b429/Delius_chapter_Colin_Wilson.pdf/file
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« Reply #914 on: August 02, 2021, 07:50:04 PM »
Remember reading the essay probably over 40 years ago in "Chords & Discords" by Wilson. It's not without insight, and delivers some humorously pithy lines, - I like Wilson's suggestion that Delius' music is most suitable for individuals with a private income who live in seclusion.

Wilson had what? - like 40,000
recordings (mostly LP's) by the end of his life, and opinions on everyone and everything.  Enjoyed reading this chip off the block once again after so long a time (sure I got rid of the book ages ago), so thanks for posting it.

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« Reply #915 on: August 02, 2021, 08:56:44 PM »
You're welcome, J. I have the entire book on a scanned pdf.  I like Wilson's reply to some of the more ignorant critics of Delius.
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Re: Frederick Delius
« Reply #916 on: September 25, 2021, 09:10:41 PM »
Stumbled onto this talk about Delius by Jeremy Dibble (summarizing his recent book on the composer):

   http://youtu.be/WLXU6_uOtI4