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Coopmv

#47500
May 25, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: Bulldog on May 25, 2009, 09:42:17 AM
Right, but he's still a native-born American.  We need all the good conductors we can get. ;D

Right on.  I have this DVD on Mass in B minor conducted by Blomstedt and was really impressed with his conducting style and the performance quality.

Bulldog

#47501
May 25, 2009, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on May 25, 2009, 09:42:23 AM


The US has this dubious policy that any baby born in the US automatically becomes a citizen.  

I think it's an excellent policy, clear and reasonable.  What alternative would you prefer?

Coopmv

#47502
May 25, 2009, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Bulldog on May 25, 2009, 09:47:30 AM
I think it's an excellent policy, clear and reasonable.  What alternative would you prefer?

Most informed people believe this is the root of the illegal immigration problems.  Most other advanced countries like Japan and Germany do not have this policy.  A buddy of mine was born of American missionary parents in Japan but he is not a citizen of Japan.

DavidRoss

#47503
May 25, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
Quote from: Brünnhilde forever on May 25, 2009, 09:19:15 AM
In case you state those conductor you listed above are all born in the USA, strike Anthonio Pappano from above list, please:

Pappano was born in Epping, England to a family having its origins in Castelfranco in Miscano, near Benevento, Italy.
Whoops, sorry, British born and raised in America.  As for Blomstedt, I know he was born in the US, but I did not list him as American--that was Stuart.

Quote from: Coopmv on May 25, 2009, 09:23:28 AM
Maazel was born in France and William Christie is really more French (think he is now a naturalized French citizen), though he was born in the US and I do have a number of Handel's recordings by him.  I do have a small collection of CD's, LP's and some prized open-reel tapes on works of Sibelius and Tchakovsky by the VPO and Maazel.  Indeed, I have zero recordings on the remainder of your list except Slatkin.  BTW, Isn't Marin Alsop English?
Born in France to American parents and raised in America.  As for Christie, if you wish to deny his American upbringing and call him French now, then there are a heck of a lot of Continental-born conductors we ought call American.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

DavidRoss

#47504
May 25, 2009, 10:06:19 AM
Quote from: Bulldog on May 25, 2009, 09:47:30 AM
I think it's an excellent policy, clear and reasonable.  What alternative would you prefer?
Well, Pandora's box has been open for much too long now, but it seems that being born within a state to parents legally residing in that state would be one reasonable standard distinguishing native-born citizens.

Think I'll listen to:

According to Copland's buddy, MTT, a significant element in Copland's inspiration for his "American" sound was the folk music of Mexico.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Coopmv

#47505
May 25, 2009, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on May 25, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
Whoops, sorry, British born and raised in America.  As for Blomstedt, I know he was born in the US, but I did not list him as American--that was Stuart.
Born in France to American parents and raised in America.  As for Christie, if you wish to deny his American upbringing and call him French now, then there are a heck of a lot of Continental-born conductors we ought call American.

In all honesty, we all have to pick and choose the conductors whose recordings we want to have in our collections.  I just go with the the tried and true, what can I say?  Most of the American conductors on your list do not add much values to my musical enjoyment based on what I have heard on my local classical FM.

Bulldog

#47506
May 25, 2009, 10:07:49 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on May 25, 2009, 09:54:21 AM


Most informed people believe this is the root of the illegal immigration problems. 

Most racists might hold this view, but I greatly doubt its merits.  

Coopmv

#47507
May 25, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on May 25, 2009, 10:06:19 AM
Well, Pandora's box has been open for much too long now, but it seems that being born within a state to parents legally residing in that state would be one reasonable standard distinguishing native-born citizens.


Absolutely, this is a clear and unambiguous policy prescription.  Only a baby born of American parents or parents who are legal permanent residents should be granted citizenship at birth ...

Now playing CD1 from this set, which arrived from MDT late last week.



Bulldog

#47508
May 25, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on May 25, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
Absolutely, this is a clear and unambiguous policy prescription.  Only a baby born of American parents or parents who are legal permanent residents should be granted citizenship at birth ...

And you think that will solve immigration problems?

Coopmv

#47509
May 25, 2009, 10:24:28 AM
Quote from: Bulldog on May 25, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
And you think that will solve immigration problems?

Nothing will completely solve immigration problems but this should help quite a bit and this is not just my view ...

Bulldog

#47510
May 25, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
Quote from: Coopmv on May 25, 2009, 10:24:28 AM
Nothing will completely solve immigration problems but this should help quite a bit and this is not just my view ...

I'm not sold on your suggestion, feeling that control of borders is the essential ingredient in solving the problems.

Coopmv

#47511
May 25, 2009, 10:35:49 AM
Quote from: Bulldog on May 25, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
I'm not sold on your suggestion, feeling that control of borders is the essential ingredient in solving the problems.

Agree.  It requires a multi-pronged approach, which must include much better border controls, change in the automatic citizenship policy and stiff fines for employers who knowingly hire illegals.  Unfortunately, we have a bunch of spineless politicians ... 

bhodges

#47512
May 25, 2009, 11:35:42 AM Last Edit: May 25, 2009, 11:49:15 AM by bhodges
Tristan Murail: Gondwana (1980) (Yves Prin/Orchestre National de France) - Every time I listen to this piece brings new rewards.  (It's definitely becoming a favorite.)  And it must be one of the purest--and most beautiful--examples of spectralism out there.  A little more information on it here.

Now up:

Tristan Murail: Time and Again (1986) (Karl-Anton Rickenbacher / Orchestre du Beethovenhalle de Bonn) - The notes mention that several of the wind and brass instruments are tuned a quarter-tone lower than usual, to produce some of the unearthly effects, and there is some lovely writing for percussion, including extensive use of bells and gongs.  PS, this ensemble (new to me) sounds fantastic in music that is surely not its usual fare.

--Bruce

Opus106

#47513
May 25, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
On the last leg of Rachmaninoff's piano sonata No. 2. (Ashkenazy) I feel these are just three, rather long preludes of his. I'm not familiar with piano sonatas from this side of the 19th century, and this also happens to my first listen to this work. I shall attempt to "connect the dots" as I listen to more of this work in future.
Regards,
Navneeth

Christo

#47514
May 25, 2009, 11:48:07 AM
Thanks to the Scandinavian composers thread: Alf Hurum (1882-1972), a Norwegian composer/conductor/painter living in Honolulu. First listen to his 1927 Symphony:

                   
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

bhodges

#47515
May 25, 2009, 12:17:25 PM
Beethoven: String Quartet in E flat major, Op. 127 (Orion String Quartet) - Just starting this 3-CD set of the late quartets.  I very much enjoyed their set of the middle ones.

--Bruce

Bogey

#47516
May 25, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on May 25, 2009, 10:06:19 AM

Think I'll listen to:

According to Copland's buddy, MTT, a significant element in Copland's inspiration for his "American" sound was the folk music of Mexico.

A wonderful cd, David.
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

Solitary Wanderer

#47517
May 25, 2009, 12:34:40 PM
Bach ~ Cantatas BMV140 & BMV147 Gardiner/Archiv
'I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth.' ~ Emily Bronte

Coopmv

#47518
May 25, 2009, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on May 25, 2009, 12:34:40 PM
Bach ~ Cantatas BMV140 & BMV147 Gardiner/Archiv

I have this CD in the "original" jacket ...

Coopmv

#47519
May 25, 2009, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Coopmv on May 25, 2009, 10:16:04 AM

Now playing CD2 from this set, which arrived from MDT late last week.  CD1 is excellent.  The now disgraced Robert King is a fantastic conductor.




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