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Quote from: Greg on April 06, 2010, 05:21:48 PMWow... no reply over half a year?
Quote from: Greg on April 06, 2010, 05:21:48 PMWow... no reply over half a year? Being hooked on the Liebestraum No.3 currently, I realize this was written a little bit before Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, and I wonder where he got that sound from. It seemed to be too much of a jump- but when I listen to Liebestraum, it seems like that has to be a strong influence. I don't know of anything before 1850 that has that kind of intensity, and Tristan was written (if i remember right) ~10 years later.Not to mention Liszt messing with atonality/near atonality more than probably any other composer at the time... maybe... I mean, take the statement "Liszt was the most innovative and influential composer in his time"- is this a good thing to say or not?
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on April 06, 2010, 05:35:10 PMInnovative? Maybe. Influential? No. It took a genius (Wagner) to elevate the harmonic ideas of Liszt to such heights that no one was able to escape, willing or not.
Quote from: Greg on April 06, 2010, 06:45:02 PMI wonder what Liszt I should listen to next...
Quote from: Greg on April 06, 2010, 07:50:45 PMKnow any good recordings, specifically?
QuoteFranz Lisztbiographical comments excerpted from Richard DiSilvio's site at http://www.d-vista.com/OTHER/franzliszt2.html"Franz Liszt has emerged as one of the most awe-inspiring figures in all of music history. Regarded as the greatest pianist of all time, who outplayed such greats as Chopin and Thalberg, his genius extended far beyond the piano to push musical composition and performance well beyond its 19th Century limits. His unique compositions bewildered, inspired and inflamed the imaginations of his own era, yet quite miraculously he also laid the seeds for a series of schools that would flourish in the near and distant future. Such as; the late Romantic, Impressionist and Atonal schools. For this... Liszt is unique - and his immense influence monumental."DeSilvio identifies several of Liszt's innovations. Among them are:His piano compositions stand as pinnacles of the literature.He invented the symphonic poem.His music evoked deep psychological and emotional impact far exceeding what existed previously, thus opening new doors to new dimensions in sound and the human psyche.He was one of the first modern conductors breathing life into a score in lieu of merely beating time. Thus focusing more on fluid expression, not a cold metronomic beat.He developed the transformation of themes, later imitated by Wagner as a leitmotif.He was the true inventor of impressionism and atonal music, well before Debussy and Schoenberg.He was the first to fully orchestrate on the piano- utilizing all its undiscovered resources- earning him the title King of the piano.He devised the piano recital and master class, both indispensable to modern audiences and students alike. He had perfect pitch and was the first performer to play entirely from memory, thus forging today's commonplace standard. Likewise, he was a philanthropist that raised funds for national disasters and charities, or erecting the Beethoven monument, which was largely due to his efforts.He selflessly promoted the works of fellow composers; Wagner, Grieg, Smetana, Berlioz, Debussy, Saint-Saëns, Faure, Borodin and others who all likewise gained valuable artistic insights into their own creativity by this grand master.And most importantly, he altered the course of music history, more than any 19th Century composer, as the future would follow Liszt's direction, not Brahms or the traditionalists- who followed Beethoven's adopted classical structure.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on April 06, 2010, 07:43:24 PMI see what you are saying, and yes, those composers were obviously inspired by Liszt.
QuoteBartok even referred to him as the first modern pianist. The problem is that the late works of Liszt were probably inspired by Wagner in the first place. Its hard to pinpoint who influenced whom.
QuoteAll we can say for sure is that the harmonic ideas of Liszt were more advanced then those of Wagner.
QuoteMost of [Liszt's] late works are great, but finding a good recording of them is a challenge.
Quote from: Dax on April 07, 2010, 01:25:29 AMThere is much that is wrong-headed and misinformative here. A bald statement of untruth backed up no example or explanation.
QuoteHe was the true inventor of impressionism and atonal music, well before Debussy and Schoenberg.
Quote from: Dax on April 07, 2010, 03:17:30 AMHe does keep crossing my path. But doesn't (cannot) attempt an answer. Perhaps that's as it should be.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 07, 2010, 05:32:40 AMThe idea of inventors in music (especially in a statement which which wants somehow to de-prioritize Debussy and Schoenberg) is a little dodgy, isn't it?
QuoteHe was the true inventor of impressionism and atonal music, well before Debussy and Schoenberg
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 07, 2010, 05:32:40 AMOne excellent aspect of this discussion, though, is to remind us the extent to which the Romantics were about restless expansion and pushing the envelope. The Neo-Romantics would seem to have us believe that the Romantics were all about warm-&-fuzzy-dom.[/font]
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