Alan Keyes, the only true conservative in the race

[lukeottevanger]

Mike for President!

[Josquin des Prez]

You are a totally regurgitated neo-fascist.

And a Nazi too for that matter. 

I don't particularly care about being insulted, and the reason i haven't been replying to this thread is that my home computer is busted so i have limited internet access. I'm risking to post this from work just in case this thread gets locked due the "insult" and i won't get the chance to reply to the various messages.

[Jay F]

Regurgitated, I'm not sure what that means, but certainly a fascist, or worse. 

regurgitating?

[knight66]

With grammar like that, and you're calling Sarah Palin a bimbo? 

That is doggone crazy!   

Quite, disgusting really; emphasised by starting the initial sentence with 'Well'. It is just not good enough.

Mike

[(poco) Sforzando]

With grammar like that, and you're calling Sarah Palin a bimbo? 

I beg your pardon, but I was the entirely grammatical individual who started calling Sarah Palin a bimbo.

[Florestan]

You are a totally regurgitated neo-fascist.

Another one! Really, guys, can't you come up with anything better?

Firstly, calling someone, whom you disagree with, a fascist strongly reminds one of the twin brother of Fascism, i.e. Communism.

Secondly, by accusing Josquin of all people (who repeatedly stated his abhorrence of modernity) of being a fascist, while Fascism is an offspring of the self same modernity, you betray your fundamental ignorance of history and politics.

[Hector]

I am trying to decide whether this is a personal insult. However, it might be that the target of the comment may own the badge with pride, in which case it is merely an accurate comment. However, should Josquin take exception to it, I will delete it.

Mike

I am attacking his views not him, personally.

For all I know or care he is good to his wife and kids and pats dogs on the head whilst feeding them sweetmeat morsels (aaah!).

Sorry if you thought I was attacking your views.

Far from it.

[Hector]

Another one! Really, guys, can't you come up with anything better?

Firstly, calling someone, whom you disagree with, a fascist strongly reminds one of the twin brother of Fascism, i.e. Communism.

Secondly, by accusing Josquin of all people (who repeatedly stated his abhorrence of modernity) of being a fascist, while Fascism is an offspring of the self same modernity, you betray your fundamental ignorance of history and politics.

Well, well, well, it seems we have unearthed another one.

I did not call him a fascist as I have done before when he has had the temerity to air his repugnant views but a neo-fascist.

You betray your fundamental ignorance of my knowledge and understanding of history and politics without giving me a brief history or politics lesson.

That is because you cannot without allowing your crude right-wingism to intrude.

How dare you take on the pseudonym Florestan!

[Florestan]

Well, well, well, it seems we have unearthed another one.

Right. You've just exposed a vast right-wing conspiracy to take over GMG and turn it into a neo-Fascist piece of mouth. You should be awarded the Lenin Peace Prize.

I did not call him a fascist as I have done before when he has had the temerity to air his repugnant views but a neo-fascist.

Right again. Anyone who has the temerity of airing views repugnant to you is either a fascist, or a neo-fascist. Very convenient and practical. Why would you waste your time trying to contradict those ideas with logical arguments and in a rational manner? After all, they are not worth a damn.

So much for the rationality, tolerance and open-minedness of some Leftists.

You betray your fundamental ignorance of my knowledge and understanding of history and politics without giving me a brief history or politics lesson..

Give you a history lesson? My, my, but you already know enough to assert that an elitist and intellectualist like Josquin is a Fascist, i.e. adherent to a strongly anti-elitist and anti-intellectualist mass movement.

That is because you cannot without allowing your crude right-wingism to intrude.

You're truly obssessed with right-wingism, my dear chap! I wonder what you mean by that. FWIW, the Political Compass puts me slightly left-of-center.

How dare you take on the pseudonym Florestan!

Why does it bother you? Was Robert Schumann a Leftist?

[Josquin des Prez]

Franz Schubert

Proof?

[Jay F]

Proof?

How am I supposed to prove it? I'm sure whichever boyfriend gave him syphillis, as well as every other guy he slept with, is long since dead. Much of what I've read poses the question "Was Schubert gay?" rather than stating definitively that Franz did, indeed, lick dick like it was a peppermint stick. You can peruse the subject at your leisure by googling "Schubert" and "gay." I don't recall the question being asked about any other composer (until we get to the ones who are, or were, alive in the era of recordings, of course).

I'm perfectly happy thinking Schubert was gay, and he's made it to enough "gays throughout history" lists that there must be something to the rumor. If another person's thinking something, or talking about it. bothers you, oh, well.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Proof?

No definitive proof has been established. In a well-known series of articles in the journal Nineteenth-Century Music about 15 years ago, Maynard Solomon argued that some of the language in Schubert's correspondence (such as his interest in "peacocks") intimated that he might have been gay. Solomon's conclusions aroused considerable horror from scholars, especially one Rita Steblin, who were upset at the allegation that naughty Schubert might have spent his time cruising for boys.

You can glean a capsule understanding of the controversy from this exchange between Steblin and Charles Rosen published in the NY Review of Books:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2116

[Josquin des Prez]

I already know the facts of the "controversy", which is why i was surprised when Jay F included Schubert in the list of "gay" composers even though there is no real proof. Somehow, that strikes me as an attempt to inflate the list of homosexual composers to drive the point that "gays" are perfectly normal even further. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[Josquin des Prez]

And what, pray tell, are his principles beyond homophobia?  Do they include unprincipled politics, such as hopping on a plane to another state to get clobbered by Barack Obama in a senate race?  What principles did he espouse then?

Watch the last video i linked. He speaks of his motives for running against Obama and that he knew full well that he was going to get pummeled, but did it anyway. That's principle right there, isn't it?

[Jay F]

I already know the facts of the "controversy", which is why i was surprised when Jay F included Schubert in the list of "gay" composers even though there is no real proof. Somehow, that strikes me as an attempt to inflate the list of homosexuals composers to drive the point that "gays" are perfectly normal even further. Correct me if i'm wrong.

You're wrong if you think gays aren't "perfectly normal." They're perfectly normal for gay people. Not everyone is a heterosexual.

[Kullervo]

I already know the facts of the "controversy", which is why i was surprised when Jay F included Schubert in the list of "gay" composers even though there is no real proof. Somehow, that strikes me as an attempt to inflate the list of homosexuals composers to drive the point that "gays" are perfectly normal even further. Correct me if i'm wrong.

There are a few posters here that I dislike, but until now I'd never consider doing bodily harm to any of them, given the chance to meet them. Just hope that we never meet in person.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

No definitive proof has been established. In a well-known series of articles in the journal Nineteenth-Century Music about 15 years ago, Maynard Solomon argued that some of the language in Schubert's correspondence (such as his interest in "peacocks") intimated that he might have been gay. Solomon's conclusions aroused considerable horror from scholars, especially one Rita Steblin, who were upset at the allegation that naughty Schubert might have spent his time cruising for boys.

For what it's worth, the Schubert Wikipedia entry makes no mention of this, though it does mention his infatuation with Therese Grob. My hazy memory of the controversy is that it centered around Solomon's creative translation and interpretation of a few lines of German. Solomon likes to psychoanalyze his long-dead subjects; it shows up also in his writings on Mozart and Beethoven.

[Jay F]

There are a few posters here that I dislike, but until now I'd never consider doing bodily harm to any of them, given the chance to meet them. Just hope that we never meet in person.

Ouchety ouch.

[adamdavid80]

The way this thread has devolved is proof that Alan Keyes and civil conversation are impossible.

Can we talk about Oreo DoubleStuff cookies instead?

[Josquin des Prez]

You're wrong if you think gays aren't "perfectly normal." They're perfectly normal for gay people. Not everyone is a heterosexual.

I made no statement regarding whether homosexuals are "normal" or not, and your emotional outburst here betrays your real motives for lying about Schubert.

They're perfectly normal for gay people. Not everyone is a heterosexual.

This is just plain stupid. What does that even mean? There is no dint of logic behind this statement, you are just speaking emotionally. For the record, i don't share the religious view that homosexuals are degenerates and that their sexual preference is akin to bestiality and other such fetishes (even though many of them are trying their darn best to prove eitherwise), but it's pretty obvious to me the logically speaking, there's nothing normal about homosexuality. It's amusing how liberals always harp in favor of science against the irrationality of the religious right, but science for them always stops short of dealing with such "sensitive" issues.