Author Topic: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!  (Read 2763 times)

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Offline DavidRoss

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Obviously belongs in the Diner, since only a brain-dead half-wit could consider such tedious dreck as music.

Can nit wits like it, or do they have too much brain power and sensitivity?

What do you think?
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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 03:47:30 PM »

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 03:47:55 PM »
Obviously belongs in the Diner, since only a brain-dead half-wit could consider such tedious dreck as music.

Can nit wits like it, or do they have too much brain power and sensitivity?

What do you think?

Maybe you'd like to specify which of the roughly half-dozen pieces of that title you are referring to?  Maybe the fact that it is "tedious dreck" is assumed to be sufficient to resolve the ambiguity?


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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 04:43:50 PM »
I want to know where Dave found authentic footage of Golaud!

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 05:22:01 PM »
I want to know where Dave found authentic footage of Golaud!
I want to never see that again!

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 05:44:44 PM »
Is Orson Welles portraying Golaud or the Grandfather King Steve Arkel?



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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 05:53:44 PM »
Obviously belongs in the Diner, since only a brain-dead half-wit could consider such tedious dreck as music.

No David, it's not tedious dreck... It just happens to be one of the  landmark  works of opera.

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Can nit wits like it, or do they have too much brain power and sensitivity?

They are responding to its rare quality, namely its delicate sensuality. 

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What do you think?

You already know what I think so I'll leave you with this comment by the musicologist Paul Henry Lang:

"Pelleas et Melisande belongs among those rare works of art in which music dissolves in a synthesis of poetic and plastic beauty, always sought and seldom attained by composers...."

Keep listening David, and hopefully one day you will come to appreciate its sophistication and great beauties.

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 05:55:43 PM »
Is Orson Welles portraying Golaud or the Grandfather King Steve Arkel?

I think that's MN Dave's mom.  8)

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 11:22:22 PM »
No David, it's not tedious dreck... It just happens to be one of the  landmark  works of opera.

They are responding to its rare quality, namely its delicate sensuality. 

You already know what I think so I'll leave you with this comment by the musicologist Paul Henry Lang:
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This is hilarious considering that all of your previously espoused opinions are nothing but a collection of neat sounding quotes from people who've cared enough to write about the actual opera.

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 11:50:28 PM »
Obviously belongs in the Diner, since only a brain-dead half-wit could consider such tedious dreck as music.

Can nit wits like it, or do they have too much brain power and sensitivity?

What do you think?

Eh, David, there are any number of pieces, literary and musical, with this title. Maybe you need to be a little more specific.

Maybe you think they're all dreck, but right now this mostly looks like one of the most blatant instances of Eric-baiting.

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 02:54:15 AM »
Maybe you think they're all dreck, but right now this mostly looks like one of the most blatant instances of Eric-baiting.

Alas! that Eric's track record disqualifies him from anything like sympathy on this head! I shall weep a tear for Eric:  :'(

Is Orson Welles portraying Golaud or the Grandfather King Steve Arkel?



Hah! You anticipated an erratum I was going to offer this morning!  ;D

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 03:26:36 AM »
I think that's MN Dave's mom.  8)


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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 03:28:13 AM »
Maybe you think they're all dreck, but right now this mostly looks like one of the most blatant instances of Eric-baiting.

Turnabout's fair play.

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 03:55:08 AM »
I am going to go in the middle and suggest it is Pedestrian Garbage.
-Brett

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 07:56:11 AM »
I am going to go in the middle and suggest it is Pedestrian Garbage.

I haven't voted yet, because as is true in many of these polls, neither of the two alternatives quite aligns with my thoughts on the matter.

With slight modification, though, I can cast a vote for Pretentious Offal.

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Re: Pelleas & Melisande: Pretentious Garbage? ...or Pedestrian Crap!
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 08:11:43 AM »
Okay, everybody, we've had our little bit of fun.  Apologies to the one or two of you who are new and not in on the joke.  There's no need to specify whose P&M since the nature of the title alone should make it very clear that the thread is a joke--and for those who've been around awhile it's equally clear that it parodies Eric's innumerable "Theists:  Idiots or just stupid?" threads that appear with tiresome frequency and predictable regularity.

As for "Eric baiting"--can one really "bait" a troll whose every post year in and year out is an effort to bait someone into his little games?

Anyway, we've had our little fun and at management's request I will lock this thread lest someone take it seriously and get needlessly bent out of shape.  Thank you for the leeway to allow us some sport.  ;D

And FWIW, I'm quite fond of Sibelius's P&M, likewise Schoenberg & Faure's, and even like Debussy's opera quite a bit--in spite of Eric's efforts to make us all hate it.  It would be nice if we could have a thoughtful discussion of all these works on the music boards, but as many of us have long since learned, that can be very difficult with Eric about.  :-\

Thank you all for playing!
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