Author Topic: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)  (Read 14284 times)

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2022, 12:52:16 PM »
Very impressed with all of these works. There is something of interest in all of them. I went into the early symphonies expecting them to sound like Bruckner, a composer who is a bit hit-and-miss with me. But there is enough 20th-century harmonic exploration and colour to make them interesting to me.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2022, 01:28:10 PM »
I have the entire set. My personal favorites are 2, followed by 5. But it really depends on your taste and I am sure reactions from every listener will be different.
2 is my favourite as well.
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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2022, 02:14:20 PM »
I seem to remember reading that around the 4th Wellesz went through a stylistic change, and the symphonies written after the 4th were more atonal than the earlier ones.  But I haven't listened to the symphonies much, even though I own the complete set, since my main interest with Wellesz has been the string quartets and other chamber music, solo piano, as well as lieder.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2022, 02:43:55 PM »
I go through each of them once before I return to them. Same way I deal with most symphony cycles.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2022, 04:40:09 PM »


I was revisiting the 4th Symphony Austrian from the magnificent set above. What an extraordinary work this is. The sense of urgency in places is tremendous; there are many interesting ideas running throughout. A piece with personality that easily grips you from start to finish. The slow movement combines lyricism with a slight astringency that is quite effective. The recording can't be better. A really fascinating experience.
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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2022, 10:21:23 AM »
The above post inspired me to listen to No. 4 again. One, I was surprised to find the symphony's goal to be G. Idk why. The opening of the first and last movements implied a tonal home of D. Also I was intrigued by that unusual chorale in the slow movement that started in B minor (with ominously growing-in-volume timpani strokes) and led back to that movement's home key of E flat major.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2022, 04:18:47 AM »


I was revisiting the 4th Symphony Austrian from the magnificent set above. What an extraordinary work this is. The sense of urgency in places is tremendous; there are many interesting ideas running throughout. A piece with personality that easily grips you from start to finish. The slow movement combines lyricism with a slight astringency that is quite effective. The recording can't be better. A really fascinating experience.

Not familiar with the work.  Added to my listening list.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2022, 09:34:47 AM »
Not familiar with the work.  Added to my listening list.

His symphonies 1-5 (or 1 to 4?) are the more approachable ones. They're quite accomplished I must say.
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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2022, 10:09:40 AM »
And the rest are approachable if you're already familiar with 20th century music.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2022, 03:18:48 AM »
His symphonies 1-5 (or 1 to 4?) are the more approachable ones. They're quite accomplished I must say.

Thanks for this. I have never really spent any time with Wellesz, partly because there is so much other music out there, and partly because the style of the CPO covers have always made me erroneously believe his music belonged to an earlier period with which I have little engagement. I know now that it doesn't, so he is on my long 'to do' list. I will take your recs as a starting point.
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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2022, 05:58:25 PM »
Please, do it when you can. These symphonies represent an important repertoire regarding late-Romantic and Serialist Austrian symphonies.
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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2022, 11:28:49 PM »
Not enough polyphony for me.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2022, 12:17:48 PM »
Surely Havergal Brian's symphonies do have more polyphony (and fine counterpoint) then, for instance.  :-X ::)
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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2022, 05:08:37 PM »
Yes, they do  ;D

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2022, 11:00:31 AM »
Not a fan of Vaughan Williams then? He operates on a similar formula of blocks of sound.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2022, 06:06:44 PM »
Currently diving into Wellesz's Symphony No. 3 from the splendid CPO set. Somehow I was reminded me of Tubin and Zemlinsky in the 1st movement. A quite vigorous beginning for sure.
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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2022, 07:21:48 PM »
Not a fan of Vaughan Williams then? He operates on a similar formula of blocks of sound.

He doesn’t.

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Re: Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)
« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2022, 02:37:28 AM »
He doesn’t.

He does.

Anyway, ignoring the apparent need to respond to something months old...Symphony No. 4 is excellent.
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