Egon Wellesz(1885-1974)

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Maestro267

Very impressed with all of these works. There is something of interest in all of them. I went into the early symphonies expecting them to sound like Bruckner, a composer who is a bit hit-and-miss with me. But there is enough 20th-century harmonic exploration and colour to make them interesting to me.

vandermolen

Quote from: springrite on January 10, 2022, 04:35:48 PM
I have the entire set. My personal favorites are 2, followed by 5. But it really depends on your taste and I am sure reactions from every listener will be different.
2 is my favourite as well.
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I seem to remember reading that around the 4th Wellesz went through a stylistic change, and the symphonies written after the 4th were more atonal than the earlier ones.  But I haven't listened to the symphonies much, even though I own the complete set, since my main interest with Wellesz has been the string quartets and other chamber music, solo piano, as well as lieder.

Irons

Quote from: Maestro267 on January 11, 2022, 12:48:59 AM
I go through each of them once before I return to them. Same way I deal with most symphony cycles.

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I was revisiting the 4th Symphony Austrian from the magnificent set above. What an extraordinary work this is. The sense of urgency in places is tremendous; there are many interesting ideas running throughout. A piece with personality that easily grips you from start to finish. The slow movement combines lyricism with a slight astringency that is quite effective. The recording can't be better. A really fascinating experience.
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Maestro267

The above post inspired me to listen to No. 4 again. One, I was surprised to find the symphony's goal to be G. Idk why. The opening of the first and last movements implied a tonal home of D. Also I was intrigued by that unusual chorale in the slow movement that started in B minor (with ominously growing-in-volume timpani strokes) and led back to that movement's home key of E flat major.

relm1

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 16, 2022, 05:40:09 PM


I was revisiting the 4th Symphony Austrian from the magnificent set above. What an extraordinary work this is. The sense of urgency in places is tremendous; there are many interesting ideas running throughout. A piece with personality that easily grips you from start to finish. The slow movement combines lyricism with a slight astringency that is quite effective. The recording can't be better. A really fascinating experience.

Not familiar with the work.  Added to my listening list.

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Quote from: relm1 on April 18, 2022, 05:18:47 AM
Not familiar with the work.  Added to my listening list.

His symphonies 1-5 (or 1 to 4?) are the more approachable ones. They're quite accomplished I must say.
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Maestro267

And the rest are approachable if you're already familiar with 20th century music.

foxandpeng

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 18, 2022, 10:34:47 AM
His symphonies 1-5 (or 1 to 4?) are the more approachable ones. They're quite accomplished I must say.

Thanks for this. I have never really spent any time with Wellesz, partly because there is so much other music out there, and partly because the style of the CPO covers have always made me erroneously believe his music belonged to an earlier period with which I have little engagement. I know now that it doesn't, so he is on my long 'to do' list. I will take your recs as a starting point.
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Please, do it when you can. These symphonies represent an important repertoire regarding late-Romantic and Serialist Austrian symphonies.
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calyptorhynchus

Not enough polyphony for me.
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#52
Surely Havergal Brian's symphonies do have more polyphony (and fine counterpoint) then, for instance.  :-X ::)
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calyptorhynchus

'Many men are melancholy by hearing music, but it is a pleasing melancholy that it causeth.' Robert Burton

Maestro267

Not a fan of Vaughan Williams then? He operates on a similar formula of blocks of sound.

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Currently diving into Wellesz's Symphony No. 3 from the splendid CPO set. Somehow I was reminded me of Tubin and Zemlinsky in the 1st movement. A quite vigorous beginning for sure.
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Spotted Horses

Quote from: Maestro267 on April 22, 2022, 12:00:31 PM
Not a fan of Vaughan Williams then? He operates on a similar formula of blocks of sound.

He doesn't.
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Maestro267

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Quote from: Spotted Horses on June 11, 2022, 08:21:48 PM
He doesn't.

He does.

Anyway, ignoring the apparent need to respond to something months old...Symphony No. 4 is excellent.