Charles Koechlin(1867-1950)

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pjme

I wish we had good recordings of the two numbered symphonies. There is some fascinating music!

Symphony nr .1: https://youtu.be/TgqjFx4Vlgc

Symphony nr. 2 : https://youtu.be/LQs8uvx3PAM

The second symphony has a part for (at least1) ondes Martenot.

P.


Mirror Image

I was hoping Heinz Holliger would continue his Koechlin series on Hanssler, but this doesn't look like it's going to happen. A shame as there's so much more to record like those symphonies you mention, pjme.

NikF

I've only one CD by Koechlin -



I find it poorly recorded (in fact on first hearing I considered it maybe a bootleg/needle drop) and while if I like a piece/performance well enough I can usually live with less than stellar sound, I find this CD a bit too much. I haven't read all this thread yet, but I'll do so and hopefully find suggestions for another recording.
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

Mirror Image

Quote from: NikF on August 09, 2015, 09:55:44 PM
I've only one CD by Koechlin -



I find it poorly recorded (in fact on first hearing I considered it maybe a bootleg/needle drop) and while if I like a piece/performance well enough I can usually live with less than stellar sound, I find this CD a bit too much. I haven't read all this thread yet, but I'll do so and hopefully find suggestions for another recording.

Can't say I've heard that recording and I definitely don't own it. For the Seven Stars' Symphony, if you can find James Judd's performance on RCA, then that's an excellent recording. Personally, I'm not overly enthusiastic about this work. It's okay but not up to Koechlin's usual excellent standards. Seek out the Holliger conducted recordings on Hanssler. Those offer brilliant musicianship and stellar audio quality. Also, The Jungle Book on RCA with David Zinman is absolutely essential in addition to those afore mentioned Hanssler recordings.

NikF

Quote from: Mirror Image on August 09, 2015, 10:00:59 PM
Can't say I've heard that recording and I definitely don't own it. For the Seven Stars' Symphony, if you can find James Judd's performance on RCA, then that's an excellent recording. Personally, I'm not overly enthusiastic about this work. It's okay but not up to Koechlin's usual excellent standards. Seek out the Holliger conducted recordings on Hanssler. Those offer brilliant musicianship and stellar audio quality. Also, The Jungle Book on RCA with David Zinman is absolutely essential in addition to those afore mentioned Hanssler recordings.

Ah, I should have pointed out it's the Ballade pour piano et orchestre I'm after. Posting in the early hours while still half asleep...!
But thanks for the suggestions of the Holliger on Hanssler and Zinman on RCA - Koechlin is someone I definitely want to hear more of and so such recommendations are much appreciated.
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

Mirror Image

Quote from: NikF on August 09, 2015, 10:10:25 PM
Ah, I should have pointed out it's the Ballade pour piano et orchestre I'm after. Posting in the early hours while still half asleep...!
But thanks for the suggestions of the Holliger on Hanssler and Zinman on RCA - Koechlin is someone I definitely want to hear more of and so such recommendations are much appreciated.

Oh, okay. I don't know of any other recording of the Ballade for piano and orchestra. You're welcome about the recommendations. It would be nice, and probably wishful thinking, if Hanssler would put out a Koechlin set of all their recordings (incl. solo piano and chamber music), but I don't think this will happen.

pjme

Although I find Bruno Rigutto's performance of the Ballade for piano and orchestra well prepared and refined, we could do with a new recording.
The Ballade exists in a solo version, which can be found on this disc:


vandermolen

I love Vers La Voute Etoilee and Persian Hours in both the piano and orchestral versions.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

Quote from: vandermolen on August 10, 2015, 03:02:14 AM
I love Vers La Voute Etoilee and Persian Hours in both the piano and orchestral versions.

+1
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

The Paysages marines, too, I find wonderful (pf solo).
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

Quote from: karlhenning on August 10, 2015, 03:07:13 AM
The Paysages marines, too, I find wonderful (pf solo).

Must look out for this Karl:

  :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

However, not yet Karl as it is over £40 on Amazon UK  :o
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot


Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

pjme

#635
https://www.youtube.com/v/UqLdITP6HO0

On CPO:



These "Chorals" for wind orchestra need a new recording...

https://www.youtube.com/v/LLiUTB0Bw2E

Peter

Karl Henning

Quote from: pjme on August 11, 2015, 01:47:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/UqLdITP6HO0

On CPO:



Thanks for this, Peter!  That is a disc I have;  but I have not seen the piece in score . . . interesting that, Satie-like, he eschews barlines even when the music is perfectly regular, metrically.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

The new erato

Quote from: pjme on August 11, 2015, 01:47:21 PM

These "Chorals" for wind orchestra need a new recording...

https://www.youtube.com/v/LLiUTB0Bw2E

Peter
This disc is outstanding (but probably OOP):


pjme

Yes that is indeed the (only) recording of these Chorals for "open air festivals/ popular festivals". But the sound is dated and definitely not top notch.
If I'm not mistaken they are on Spotify.

Peter

pjme

#639
I ordered this book ( French only): Koechlin, compositeur et humaniste.



It has a very detailed description and study of the second symphony - written during WW2 ( Chostakovitch was working on his eight symphony).Scored for a fairly normal large orchestra , it includes parts for 4 ondes Martenot.
It is the only symphony Koechlin conceived from the beginning as a symphony, not using older material or orchestrating an existing work.

Peter.